When is LL worth it?

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on July 12, 2017, 11:10:53 PMFor me it's pretty simple that if you think women are robots who are all programmed to like the same than something is wrong with how you understand women and maybe this is why you and your friends (usually friends think alike) have a lot of drawbacks at your height.
  "sorry I date taller guys" is a common way for women (Never got that comment to be frank.. Just heard of it) to tell people they don't like for whatever reason that they don't like them. Usually it's also not the real reason because "sorry you are too short" sounds better (in their opinion) than "sorry but I don't date ugly".
 
 Anyhow, your views on women are skewed and no one should take tips about women from you

Tibike I never disrespected you and I demand the same from you.
I say my opinion and what I see personally and in men I know and I speak as someone who was short and now average and in a few years, if things go well, taller than average.
The difference in how women treat me is big before and now. Almost all women I dated said that they would never be with a short man and many of them said that about my height is the border between dating a man or not.
This is my experience and most of men at my height and less agree with that but if someone less than 5.7 is very successful with women then good for him.
But I guess such a man wouldn't have been in a forum about the most hardcore cosmetic surgery out there.

So tell me Tibike, if you are completely ok with dating and you think that what I'm saying is false, why are you here and you don't live your successful life but you care about something extreme like LL?
I have done LL and I saw with my own eyes how important was the difference before and after and I saw also how important is height for a man, that's why I am so motivated about doing LL.
I have a very good face, a built body with 48cm arms, a bmw car and an average job but all these make me just average because of my mediocre height.
Guess what, if I was 5.11 or more I wouldn't have been an average man but better from at least 90% of men out there as I am better than average in anything else from a little to too much.
Still my height keeps me back and I know it. Things are much easier for a taller than average man, while short men struggle a lot, especially on dating.
So if you don't believe all these, why you care about LL? After all you are more than 5.7 which is not really short.
So you don't have any real reason to do LL from what you saying. Why are you here then?
People who don't believe that height is really significant for a man don't consider LL or they are stupid. So what is your motivation because from your words you are completely ok with your life.
As far as I know people who are ok in their lives don't want cosmetic surgeries, especially ones like LL which mean that you'll never be again as before doing it.

Height is the most important aspect in a man's appearance and the shorter you are from average the worse it becomes until you reach a border where under it you are just doomed. For me this border is 5.7, for others it is 5.6, 5.9 etc. But even that border for many women is unacceptable as they just want tall men only.
Anyone who is here and does not admit all the above is either a liar or lives in denial.

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Quote from: Ryda on July 12, 2017, 11:36:09 PM Do this for yourself Yyes.Its ur body n its your choice.

I agree. If you really need it then do it for yourself.

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You guys talk about face but the majority of men are of average looks or ugly. So what is an average 5'6 guy supposed to do if he does not look like Zack Efron. And only the most blunt of women will tell you directly that your height is a big turn off for her. Beyond one night stands having more height helps in improving your chances in dating.

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Quote from: Bander72 on July 13, 2017, 01:07:30 AMYou guys talk about face but the majority of men are of average looks or ugly. So what is an average 5'6 guy supposed to do if he does not look like Zack Efron. And only the most blunt of women will tell you directly that your height is a big turn off for her. Beyond one night stands having more height helps in improving your chances in dating.

I find that it would be more likely for you to have real relationships versus one night stands. One night stands are more about physical attraction so she will most likely not go for the short guy.

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Quote from: Ryda on July 13, 2017, 12:21:51 AMWas there any need to insult me before making your point?The fact that he is among other short people doesn't make  him tall..I still stand by my words.He appears to be short.He is an individual and am focused on him in the pic.

If you don't wanna be insulted, don't say things like "anyone who disagrees with me is just short so his argument doesn't count". Also you said he looks short because he has narrow shoulders and short legs. Shoulder widening surgery has never been done before, so what is he supposed to do? And he shouldn't do LL just because his legs "look short", that's not a route to happiness.

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QuoteSo what is an average 5'6 guy supposed to do if he does not look like Zack Efron. And only the most blunt of women will tell you directly that your height is a big turn off for her.

Maybe we should have a sticky here with links to pick up teachings and self development. That might solve some of the reasons people want to undergo LL. No joke. Cuz it's most important what kind of character you develop, what kind of person you have become, being able to spike women's emotions and handle them, handling even your own emotions first, being social, having social status, being able to present oneself in a confident way and having developed personal boundaries and a set character, not being blind to dynamics in social environments.
Being rich is not attractive because of the money but because of the person you had to become to pull it off. Looking good and taking care of oneself is somewhat basic, it shows that you get it that we live in a society where it's appropriate. It's always goes back to what kind of person must be, that is what he is. Height is not a deal breaker. It makes stuff just easier the bigger you are. That's all.

Also, women say a lot that they have been conditioned to think. In the end, what turns them on is mostly hard wired and they are not conscious of it. But they have no conscious access to that information, so they say what society says, which often is the opposite of what they really want. And of course, if you ask them directly what they like, it kinda suggests to answer what you prefer, and they prefer what's better like everyone else, bigger guys?

Height is a border for women often because they are not mentally strong to cope with all the comments of their families and friends that they get when they date a short guy. These people themselves have mostly societie's opinions injected into them. They don't feel the same way towards a short person as for example the girl of that social circle or family. They can not relate to it on an emotional level. You can even have done stuff right witht he woman, but then there are here influencers. To overcome that you need to shift her thinking, she needs to have a strong character and high self-esteem to own what she wants, and not what others suggest her to do. For a woman it is crucial to be accepted in her social circle. It is a burden to justify being with a short guy. it makes it harder if you are not cool with your height, too.

What looks are to us in a woman is not the same it is to them in a man.

This is not my opinion. These are facts.

People should at least be that confident to talk to anyone and feel comfortable about themselves as a person. Being able to handle rejections, knowing that you did nothing that is bad. From there, if you still don't get results you want you can consider LL, because then it is not your mentality or behviour anymore that is stopping you, but actually your physicality making it a bit too hard.

That is for those who really look for what they can do other than LL. There is a lot you can do besides LL. Give that one a try first.

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Quote from: LLprime2 on July 13, 2017, 07:53:57 AMMaybe we should have a sticky here with links to pick up teachings and self development. That might solve some of the reasons people want to undergo LL. No joke. Cuz it's most important what kind of character you develop, what kind of person you have become, being able to spike women's emotions and handle them, handling even your own emotions first, being social, having social status, being able to present oneself in a confident way and having developed personal boundaries and a set character, not being blind to dynamics in social environments.
Being rich is not attractive because of the money but because of the person you had to become to pull it off. Looking good and taking care of oneself is somewhat basic, it shows that you get it that we live in a society where it's appropriate. It's always goes back to what kind of person must be, that is what he is. Height is not a deal breaker. It makes stuff just easier the bigger you are. That's all.

Also, women say a lot that they have been conditioned to think. In the end, what turns them on is mostly hard wired and they are not conscious of it. But they have no conscious access to it, so they say what society says, which often is the opposite of what they will tell you. And of course, if you ask them directly what they like, it kinda suggests to answer what you prefer, and they prefer what's better like everyone else, bigger guys?

Height is a border for women often because they are not mentally strong to cope with all the comments of their families and friends that they get when they date a short guy. These people themselves have mostly societie's opinions injected into them. They don't feel the same way towards a short person as for example the girl of that social circle or family. They can not relate to it on an emotional level. You can even have done stuff right witht he woman, but then there are here influencers. To overcome that you need to shift her thinking, she needs to have a strong character and high self-esteem to own what she wants, and not what others suggest her to do. For a woman it is crucial to be accepted in her social circle. It is a burden to justify being with a short guy. it makes it harder if you are not cool with your height, too.

What looks are to us in a woman is not the same it is to them in a man.

This is not my opinion. These are facts.

People should at least be that confident to talk to anyone and feel comfortable about themselves as a person. Being able to handle rejections, knowing that you did nothing that is bad. From there, if you still don't get results you want you can consider LL, because then it is not your mentality or behviour anymore that is stopping you, but actually your physicality making it a bit too hard.

That is for those who really look for what they can do other than LL. There is a lot you can do besides LL. Give that one a try first.

Nature and nurture. Yeah there's a push from society to what they "should" go after but there are animalistic instincts that will guarantee survival of the fittest.

But utmost agreement with improving your game before changing your body.

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Quote from: biggerdreams on July 13, 2017, 03:31:29 AMI find that it would be more likely for you to have real relationships versus one night stands. One night stands are more about physical attraction so she will most likely not go for the short guy.

Not really since a short guy with a good body might entice a woman to a one night stand but she would be embarassed to introduce to her friends as her boyfriend.

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This is what I recommend to you: try it out how longer legs would feel! How?

You spend some time in the US with very low heel shoes and no lifts.
Then you go to Mexico, where people are shorter, and use lifts.

While in Mexico and using lifts ask yourself:
1. Do people treat me with more respect?
2. Do I feel more confident?

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Quote from: helloworld on July 13, 2017, 10:47:45 AMThis is what I recommend to you: try it out how longer legs would feel! How?

You spend some time in the US with very low heel shoes and no lifts.
Then you go to Mexico, where people are shorter, and use lifts.

While in Mexico and using lifts ask yourself:
1. Do people treat me with more respect?
2. Do I feel more confident?

1) No
2) If all you can think about is height then point granted, but maybe you're ugly and that could also be a source of insecurity.
Point being you have no real fundamental grasp of a society's culture (especially a Mexican one).

Quote from: Ryda on July 13, 2017, 12:21:51 AMWas there any need to insult me before making your point?The fact that he is among other short people doesn't make  him tall..I still stand by my words.He appears to be short.He is an individual and am focused on him in the pic.

Those people are clearly average or just slightly below average; you didn't pay attention. By that logic anyone who isn't tall isn't worth a damn... and that makes absolutely no sense, so yeah calling you out on your bs right there (don't misconstrue calling out a BS statement with an attack on your personal self).