Quote from: myloginacct on January 26, 2018, 12:28:25 AMIt didn't say it was a psychological illness. I said it was a psychological problem, as it brings them distress. They're distressed for not being a certain height, despite not suffering any discrimination in their daily or dating lives. That's why I characterized it as psychological and a problem.
Also, there are definitely diminishing returns to things like building muscle and being tall. At some point, you're just not netting any social gains by adding more of it - you might even go into the negatives for something like bodybuilding, as deep appreciation for the top BBers is generally limited to that niche; the majority of women don't find guys who are too huge to be more attractive.
"Diminishing returns" in terms of their ability to attract the opposite sex, sure. But most of the top bodybuilders, models, businessmen, etc don't want to be at the top to attract women. They do it because they want to be better than all the other bodybuilders, models, businessmen, and so on.
Similarly, it's possible that some of these tall people who want this surgery want it because they want to be taller than everyone else. Whether that's a "problem" or not isn't for anyone else to decide. It's their body and their life.
QuoteI understand where you are coming from because I hate this in other online forums. However, these forums have an off-topic section and I tend to limit my posts like that to this section. Also, regarding possible alternatives to CLL, you should help promote these ideas if you think they merit funding. I had never heard of these two names before reading your post today.
Additionally, please try to understand the other side. Posting all the scientific research that shows how much it sucks being short can be just seen as circlejerking on how much it sucks being short, on a forum where everyone is fully aware of that. I do believe I have illustrated in the past viable, alternative ways for men of shorter stature to find partners (not supermodels) and whatnot. I don't see it as virtue signaling / coping delusions but as just showing it's not all hopeless. Some here are a decade or more away from really doing a surgery like this, and it's not impossible to live without it.
Regarding my posting scientific research on heightism, etc:
As you're probably noticed, I have never, nor will I ever, randomly create doom-and-gloom threads whose sole purpose it is to further damage the self-esteem of the posters here (I haven't made any threads going "look look everyone! look at this new study that proves how hopeless it is for you because you're short!"). My intention isn't to "kick people while they're down" or "drag them down further".
When I post this stuff, it's ALWAYS in response to someone making some positivist claim about how short men can still attract "plenty" of women, how it's "not so bad when you really think about it", basically all sorts of feel-good platitudinous claims that (as far as I've seen) tend to be embellished, no doubt in an attempt to console the depressed and potentially suicidal members the posts are aimed at.
It's not that I "don't understand" the other side. I know what you're trying to do, and I know that you are probably trying to help by doing it. The problem is that what you're doing will ultimately have the opposite effect.
Suppose I stopped debunking the positivity posts, or even joined in and started making posts like those too, talking about how it's not so bad, how things can be great as a short man, you can have plenty of women, post lots of staged videos where short men kiss and fondle paid actresses, and so on. Lots of short guys see these posts and start to feel better. They start to internalize these feel-good delusions, and kind of start to forget about their problems. Hey, maybe being short isn't so bad after all.
When they get off their computer and go back to the real world, they're still short. Heightism hasn't gone away. People are still going to treat them the exact same way they were before. They're still gonna get made fun of by their peers, passed over for promotions at work, rejected by women, etc. Nothing has changed except their "mentality". They're still being discriminated against and treated like sh*t because of their height, and it still makes them miserable. The only difference is that now, they'll try to ignore it or just endure it and keep living their lives in spite of it, resigning themselves to a mediocre or poor quality of life.
Their feel-good delusions don't match their real-life experiences, which will result in cognitive dissonance. After a while, no matter how brainwashed they are, they won't be able to cope anymore, and they'll end up depressed again, and then they'll end up back on this forum, and we're back to square one.
How do I know this? Because this is how real-life """therapy""" works. I know that because I've been through it before. Therapy, especially the increasingly popular "cognitive-behavioral" therapy that is in vogue nowadays, is all about brainwashing the patient with positive affirmations and hoping that these "stick", allowing the patient to cope with whatever they're unhappy with just enough so that they can be a "well-adjusted person", which basically just means they're mentally stable enough to work a 9-to-5 job and take care of themselves rather than applying for disability and living on welfare.
"Therapy" is a lifelong thing. Once you've completed a 6 or so month long "course" of therapy with a mental health professional and they deem you to be "rehabilitated", you'll get sent on your way with a request to "check back" in around 3 or so months to "touch base". What this means is they need to check whether your indoctrination is still holding strong or if you need some more, because psychologists are well aware that problems "treated" by therapy recur in virtually every case.
This is what will happen if we start circlejerking and trying to console each other. We'll brainwash each other into thinking heightism's not so bad, until we go out there and see that yes, it kind of IS that bad, and then we end up back here again, where we'll once again get brainwashed, and the cycle continues in that way.
Ultimately, we accomplish absolutely nothing other than waste each other's time - time that we'll never be able to get back, that could've been used working together towards an actual SOLUTION that would solve the problem once and for all.
Regarding the alternatives to CLL:
I've been planning to do just that. I've been compiling research and information I've seen about them from other sites and their own sites, though I've faced some difficulty (Dr. Teplyashin is Russian, and his site is in Russian). Once I've got all this stuff prepared, I will post about them.
Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 26, 2018, 01:10:18 AMSo in other words your short and are praying that a “new procedure” to grow taller pops up. Keep waiting buddy. Meanwhile ill be growing while your on your labtop trying to bully people lol
Do yourself a favor and work through some 3rd grade grammar and spelling books when you're in the recovery phase. You have the writing ability of a 9 year old, and it's only going to be more embarrassing once you're taller.