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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 2:43 am
#71

Quote from: Body Builder on January 25, 2018, 01:31:44 AMOf course I believe it.
1.74 is not enough for many women who can't look past that no matter how attractive face you have.
And for the other you must be really good looking to not be bothered with your height.
On the other hand, the vast majority of women are more than ok with an 1.80+ man with avwrage face and a good style.
After all the majority of men I see everyday with good looking women have average face at best but they are tall and have some nice clothes. As simple as that.
I live in one of the tallest countries in the world and with a height of 175cm and a good looking face - height is not the problem if you have trouble getting girls. I see ~175cm guys with hot girls everyday.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 2:59 am
#72

If your having trouble getting girls at 175+ you really need to stop and think about what your doing wrong. Good looking guy at that age and with a good career, personality, style will not have any trouble with gorgeous woman! I was 165 good looking, style, personality, truck. Ofcourse getting the prettest girl in the room was a challenge if the girl was taller than me but there where plenty of other good looking girls my height or slighter taller than me that i had no problem with. Stop putting the problem on height. Yes height will make it easier but if you work a little harder you can still achieve great things. Im married now and my wife is gorgeous! Sheis 5’3 and with heels shes slightly taller than me. Im only doing this to improve my overall apearance and be slighly taller than her.  Trying to get to 180cm is rediculous. You dont need that much height

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 5:21 am
#73

Quote from: myloginacct on January 17, 2018, 03:34:12 AMIsn't this reversed? There are hordes of users here who are short(er) but look in the mirror and see this 6 feet guy. You are, of course, right about the points of a man who's 5'5 and sees that in the mirror. That's someone who wants to solve a problem. However, how can we not say that all the men here who look at themselves in the mirror and don't see their "true selves" isn't partially also BDD? Think of all the comments about what height we were meant to be, the height we actually "feel" like, etc.

I'm not saying a lot of people aren't just looking at a problem and wanting to solve it, but there's also BDD involved for a lot of people here (including myself) - specially all the guys on the taller side of things. The problems their height bring to themselves are more in their heads than anywhere else.

EDIT: Fixed typos.

No, there isn't. And no, it isn't "reversed". There aren't "hordes of users who are shorter but look in the mirror and see this 6 feet guy". You're playing with words.

When I made that comparison to a man who's 6'0"+, but looks in the mirror and sees a 5'2" guy, I was speaking from a literal point of view. "BDD" is a form of psychosis. Very often, it involves actual hallucinations - as in, your brain is actually parsing the information it is passed by the optic nerves in your eyes in a way that does not reflect reality.

What you're talking about - this statement

QuoteThink of all the comments about what height we were meant to be, the height we actually "feel" like, etc.
is not a case of hallucinogenic psychosis. When someone says "I should have been/was meant to be tall", or "I feel like I'm tall", what they're actually saying is "I deserve to be treated the way tall people are treated". It expresses a sense of

1) dissatisfaction with their current state of being
2) entitlement to a better state of being

not a disconnect from reality. The type of person you are describing doesn't have "Body Dysmorphic Disorder" any more than a poor man who says "I was meant to be rich" has "Financial Dysmorphic Disorder" or some loser average Joe who says "I feel like I should be getting mobbed by screaming fans like movie stars do" has "Social Status Dysmorphic Disorder".

Again, actual "body dysmorphic disorder", if and when it manifests itself, does so spontaneously and as a result of some kind of cerebral malfunction - not because a person was bullied, humiliated, disparaged, and otherwise discriminated against until they eventually developed a complex, self-hate issues, low self-esteem, etc, which is what happens to short people because of heightism, ugly people because of lookism, colored people because of racism, and so on.

If you're on this site or other height-increase sites because you got bullied, mocked, humiliated, or rejected by your family, peers, potential romantic partners, etc because of your stature, you DON'T have "body dysmorphic disorder".  The problem isn't "in their head". The problem is the way people treat them, and the reason people treat them that way is their height.

So if anything, the problem is PHYSICAL, not mental. That's why no amount of "therapy", antidepressants, or any other dumb copes will help once you've ended up on this site. There are only 2 possible genuine SOLUTIONS to the problem these people have

1) Radically change society literally overnight so that it worships short people the way it does tall people, or at least stops the profound, deep-seated discrimination and oppression of short people

2) Stop being short

Speaking realistically, 1) isn't going to happen. Heightism, lookism, and other -ism forms of discrimination aren't going anywhere in the lifetime of anyone posting on this board now (in my opinion they will never stop existing period, but that's beside the point). So that just leaves 2), and that's where this surgery comes in, and where other treatments for short stature should come in.

Heightism and lookism especially aren't going anywhere. Because both of these are largely MEN'S problems (which is not to say there are no women who are victims of heightism or lookism, only that it is rarer for their lives to be so blighted by these things that they end up on sites like this), outside of boards like this one, nobody is willing to even entertain that these forms of discrimination exist, let alone acknowledge their prevalence - hell, even on this very board they're downplayed by posters like you, who refuse to acknowledge the true scope of their influence in society and just how widespread and noxious they really are and repeatedly try to portray things as "not being so bad".

Nobody else is going to change. Things aren't going to "get better" on their own. Paying some patronizing clown who calls himself a "doctor" $120/hr to pretend to be your friend, spout platitudes at you, write you a prescription for prozac and send you on your merry way isn't going to make things better. Pulling the covers over your eyes and telling yourself it's not so bad isn't going to make things better. The only thing anyone here can do is change themselves PHYSICALLY so the discrimination stops and they can move on, or do whatever it is they want to do with their lives. Whether it's fair or not that they have to do so is irrelevant. That's reality.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 5:26 am
#74

Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 25, 2018, 02:59:31 AMTrying to get to 180cm is rediculous. You dont need that much height

While being tall isn't absolutely necessary to get women, it can help (like many other things) so trying to get to 5'11"/180cm or taller is not ridiculous.  Becoming tall also has lots of other benefits outside of getting women.  That's why it's wrong to say that someone doesn't "need" that much height.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 5:31 am
#75

Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 25, 2018, 02:59:31 AMIf your having trouble getting girls at 175+ you really need to stop and think about what your doing wrong. Good looking guy at that age and with a good career, personality, style will not have any trouble with gorgeous woman! I was 165 good looking, style, personality, truck. Ofcourse getting the prettest girl in the room was a challenge if the girl was taller than me but there where plenty of other good looking girls my height or slighter taller than me that i had no problem with. Stop putting the problem on height. Yes height will make it easier but if you work a little harder you can still achieve great things. Im married now and my wife is gorgeous! Sheis 5’3 and with heels shes slightly taller than me. Im only doing this to improve my overall apearance and be slighly taller than her.  Trying to get to 180cm is rediculous. You dont need that much height

"Stop 'putting the problem on height' [sic], but also I'm going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on leg lengthening surgery, because my 5'3" wife towers me in heels and that's a problem."

- You

Lmfao. Go back to r/short.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 5:53 am
#76

Quote from: extremis on January 25, 2018, 05:21:07 AMNo, there isn't. And no, it isn't "reversed". There aren't "hordes of users who are shorter but look in the mirror and see this 6 feet guy". You're playing with words.

When I made that comparison to a man who's 6'0"+, but looks in the mirror and sees a 5'2" guy, I was speaking from a literal point of view. "BDD" is a form of psychosis. Very often, it involves actual hallucinations - as in, your brain is actually parsing the information it is passed by the optic nerves in your eyes in a way that does not reflect reality.

What you're talking about - this statement

is not a case of hallucinogenic psychosis. When someone says "I should have been/was meant to be tall", or "I feel like I'm tall", what they're actually saying is "I deserve to be treated the way tall people are treated". It expresses a sense of

1) dissatisfaction with their current state of being
2) entitlement to a better state of being

not a disconnect from reality. The type of person you are describing doesn't have "Body Dysmorphic Disorder" any more than a poor man who says "I was meant to be rich" has "Financial Dysmorphic Disorder" or some loser average Joe who says "I feel like I should be getting mobbed by screaming fans like movie stars do" has "Social Status Dysmorphic Disorder".

Again, actual "body dysmorphic disorder", if and when it manifests itself, does so spontaneously and as a result of some kind of cerebral malfunction - not because a person was bullied, humiliated, disparaged, and otherwise discriminated against until they eventually developed a complex, self-hate issues, low self-esteem, etc, which is what happens to short people because of heightism, ugly people because of lookism, colored people because of racism, and so on.

If you're on this site or other height-increase sites because you got bullied, mocked, humiliated, or rejected by your family, peers, potential romantic partners, etc because of your stature, you DON'T have "body dysmorphic disorder".  The problem isn't "in their head". The problem is the way people treat them, and the reason people treat them that way is their height.

So if anything, the problem is PHYSICAL, not mental. That's why no amount of "therapy", antidepressants, or any other dumb copes will help once you've ended up on this site. There are only 2 possible genuine SOLUTIONS to the problem these people have

1) Radically change society literally overnight so that it worships short people the way it does tall people, or at least stops the profound, deep-seated discrimination and oppression of short people

2) Stop being short

Speaking realistically, 1) isn't going to happen. Heightism, lookism, and other -ism forms of discrimination aren't going anywhere in the lifetime of anyone posting on this board now (in my opinion they will never stop existing period, but that's beside the point). So that just leaves 2), and that's where this surgery comes in, and where other treatments for short stature should come in.

Heightism and lookism especially aren't going anywhere. Because both of these are largely MEN'S problems (which is not to say there are no women who are victims of heightism or lookism, only that it is rarer for their lives to be so blighted by these things that they end up on sites like this), outside of boards like this one, nobody is willing to even entertain that these forms of discrimination exist, let alone acknowledge their prevalence - hell, even on this very board they're downplayed by posters like you, who refuse to acknowledge the true scope of their influence in society and just how widespread and noxious they really are and repeatedly try to portray things as "not being so bad".

Nobody else is going to change. Things aren't going to "get better" on their own. Paying some patronizing clown who calls himself a "doctor" $120/hr to pretend to be your friend, spout platitudes at you, write you a prescription for prozac and send you on your merry way isn't going to make things better. Pulling the covers over your eyes and telling yourself it's not so bad isn't going to make things better. The only thing anyone here can do is change themselves PHYSICALLY so the discrimination stops and they can move on, or do whatever it is they want to do with their lives. Whether it's fair or not that they have to do so is irrelevant. That's reality.

Dam bro who hurt you?

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 6:14 am
#77

Quote from: Zeo on January 25, 2018, 05:53:12 AMDam bro who hurt you?

Given that you're here on this site too, I'd say it's probably the same people who hurt you.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 6:32 am
#78

Quote from: extremis on January 25, 2018, 06:14:55 AMGiven that you're here on this site too, I'd say it's probably the same people who hurt you.

I doubt I am as traumatized as you friend

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 6:47 am
#79

Quote from: extremis on January 25, 2018, 05:31:34 AM"Stop 'putting the problem on height' [sic], but also I'm going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on leg lengthening surgery, because my 5'3" wife towers me in heels and that's a problem."

- You

Lmfao. Go back to r/short.
I said dating and finding pretty woman has nothing to do with height you moron. The reason for me to do this surgery was for aesthitic reasons as clothes fit better if im a little taller and ill look better in comparison next to my wife. Simply saying if i was average height like all my male family 5’7 and up ( im the shortest at 5’5) then i wouldve never thought to do this surgery. Go get yourself a wack a mole to bash on homie instead of trying to bash on me.

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Posted on Jan 25, 2018, 11:38 am
#80

Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 25, 2018, 02:59:31 AMIf your having trouble getting girls at 175+ you really need to stop and think about what your doing wrong. Good looking guy at that age and with a good career, personality, style will not have any trouble with gorgeous woman! I was 165 good looking, style, personality, truck. Ofcourse getting the prettest girl in the room was a challenge if the girl was taller than me but there where plenty of other good looking girls my height or slighter taller than me that i had no problem with. Stop putting the problem on height. Yes height will make it easier but if you work a little harder you can still achieve great things. Im married now and my wife is gorgeous! Sheis 5’3 and with heels shes slightly taller than me. Im only doing this to improve my overall apearance and be slighly taller than her.  Trying to get to 180cm is rediculous. You dont need that much height
You need.
At 1.65 you were doomed. The thing that you found a good looking woman means nothing, even handicapped people could find someone to like them. What matters is how often that happens. And with 1.65 this is very rare.
I had 2 gorgeous gfs at 1.68 but for the vast majority of girls I was invisible. THAT matters for me, how most of women see me, not 10% or less.
At almost 1.75 many women are ok with my height (just ok) and about the other half are not. That is unacceptable for me and makes my dating life much harder than it should taking in mind that I have a nice face, a great age for a man, muscles and a more than average income.
If I were tall I swear that I could have waay too many girls to choose from while now I have successes but just a little more than the average man, nothing more.

So being above average height is really important for a man. If you are less than that things become harder and if you are less than even 5.7-8 things are almost imoossible.
Thats the reality for me and most men I know that they are short.

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