Dr Augustin Betz (Neunkirchen, Germany) The Betz Institute

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The whole issue is subjective. Let's be honest here, some have even had complications with the almighty revered Dr. Guichet!!!
ANY method and ANY doctor may carry the risk of complications at one point or another- Why? Because if you haven't noticed, we live in an imperfect world as imperfect people.

At the end of the day, each one makes their own decision based on what they believe is good for them. Take the good with the bad and thread a personal path on this. No need to to try slander, bicker, argue over things that are defined by angles of varied experiences.

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Quote from: ShortyMcShort on November 17, 2014, 05:03:27 AMHe probably did 600, no one here knows, only he knows. And I do agree that not all of his so called 600 patients write diaries but the ones who did, do provide some insight on their experiences. 30-40% is not a definitive answer and I highly doubt anyone on here including Atlas will have a definitive answer. So take it with a grain of salt and make your decisions carefully.

I most definitely don't provide any definitive answers. I can talk definitively only in regard to my own experience doing LL. I will, however, liberally call out anyone who tries to make generalizations that purport to speak on the behalf of other people. Having done LL, the one constant that I found is that everyone's experience is different. In the postings that I have made about my LL experience such as this one, I clearly indicate that my experience should not be taken as a recommendation on how much to lengthen, which LL method to use, etc. I'm simply stating how things went for me. Anyone considering LL should invariably take what they read on the internet with a grain of salt. Forums provide some insight, but it's still best to consult with a couple of doctors, talk to their patients one on one & see the facilities for yourself.


Quote from: Mime on November 22, 2014, 12:08:17 PMHanshi's math is correct. Nobody can prove it wrong. This Atlas guy has no arguments against it but is just trolling.

What Hanshi did is juju not math. In that regard, it is as correct as juju could possibly be correct. We are in agreement though, that nobody can prove juju wrong. For someone who has never done LL, Hanshi seems to know a whole lot about it so evidently, the juju is very strong with him.

As for me trolling, it takes one to know one, umm, Mime. You seem to be carrying a gigantic chip on your shoulder, the aftermath, I am guessing, of your LL not turning out well. As I've said before, everyone is free to voice their opinions and preferences, but it's puerile to throw a tantrum because someone did not have the same experience as you did.
 

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Quote from: MAN-OF-STEEL on November 24, 2014, 04:32:37 PMThe whole issue is subjective. Let's be honest here, some have even had complications with the almighty revered Dr. Guichet!!!
ANY method and ANY doctor may carry the risk of complications at one point or another- Why? Because if you haven't noticed, we live in an imperfect world as imperfect people.

At the end of the day, each one makes their own decision based on what they believe is good for them. Take the good with the bad and thread a personal path on this. No need to to try slander, bicker, argue over things that are defined by angles of varied experiences.
You are missing the point. The point is that it is less safe to go with Betz and that he cannot be trusted.

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Quote from: AtlasSearching on November 26, 2014, 11:26:56 PM


What Hanshi did is juju not math. In that regard, it is as correct as juju could possibly be correct. We are in agreement though, that nobody can prove juju wrong. For someone who has never done LL, Hanshi seems to know a whole lot about it so evidently, the juju is very strong with him.
As can be seen again this Atlas guy doesn't have any arguments. It's just hot air.
He is claiming to be a patient, but hasn't given any proof that he is. Dr.Betz is making millions with cosmetic LL therefore it is easy for him to hire someone to write on this forum.
Interestingly neither Betz nor his assistant write here anymore although they could easily answer directly. The reason is simple:
They cannot answer the critical questions asked before and they cannot claim their complication rate is lower. Instead they resort in sending trolls here.
Dr. Betz is not trustworthy and has a lot of criminal energy. People who want to go with him should think twice. There is hardly any patient protection under German law and you will be fully at the mercy of Dr. Betz. Complications can happen with any doctor, but the worst thing is when you get a complication and find out that you cannot trust your doctor. That's exactly what happens with Dr. Betz patients. So be warned.

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Cannibal is one miserable dude who lives just to attack top LL doctors to feel better about his lack of chances.

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Quote Let's be honest here, some have even had complications with the almighty revered Dr. Guichet!!! Of course! They won’t be honest because that’s there job here.

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Quote from: GrowPrettySoon on November 30, 2014, 01:59:46 AMCannibal is one miserable dude who lives just to attack top LL doctors to feel better about his lack of chances.

It isn't just a coincidence that the only doctors you come here to support are the two most advertised on old forum .

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Quote from: Mime on November 29, 2014, 11:46:47 AMAs can be seen again this Atlas guy doesn't have any arguments. It's just hot air.
He is claiming to be a patient, but hasn't given any proof that he is. Dr.Betz is making millions with cosmetic LL therefore it is easy for him to hire someone to write on this forum.

Mime, it seems that you think I'm here to banter with you but that's not my intention at all. That would be a futile endeavor. Anosognosia is a bane and I'm not about to try curing it. I will say though, that there are some folks on here who have ailments, the least of which is being short.

It does tickle me however, that the dude who failed miserably at LL wants me to give him proof that I was a Betz patient. Since you seem to know a whole lot about the Betz operation, inquire with the patients who were in Neunkirchen in October and they'll tell you about me. Even better, OldieButGoldie has a diary on here and he too was getting his nails removed the same day as I did. But dude, first get a handle on your paranoia otherwise all else is mute.

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Quote from: AtlasSearching on December 06, 2014, 07:52:37 AMMime, it seems that you think I'm here to banter with you but that's not my intention at all. That would be a futile endeavor. Anosognosia is a bane and I'm not about to try curing it. I will say though, that there are some folks on here who have ailments, the least of which is being short.

It does tickle me however, that the dude who failed miserably at LL wants me to give him proof that I was a Betz patient. Since you seem to know a whole lot about the Betz operation, inquire with the patients who were in Neunkirchen in October and they'll tell you about me. Even better, OldieButGoldie has a diary on here and he too was getting his nails removed the same day as I did. But dude, first get a handle on your paranoia otherwise all else is mute.
So again this guy is not able to give proof that he is a real patient. Neither can he give any arguments. Instead he is only trying to insult. Also he is hogging this thread. His agenda is obvious.
His trolling won't help to whitewash Dr. Betz's reputation though.

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Quote from: Mime on December 06, 2014, 11:30:20 AMSo again this guy is not able to give proof that he is a real patient. Neither can he give any arguments. Instead he is only trying to insult. Also he is hogging this thread. His agenda is obvious.
His trolling won't help to whitewash Dr. Betz's reputation though.

Seriously Mime, you are mental. We get it, you are the angry short dude enraged with the world for failing to get taller. You'll have to live with your failure. Also, you have the complex, but you aren't Napoleon, so quit puffing up yourself as if you have any merit to judge who is or is not a Betz patient. The most you seem capable of is rehashing the same tired diatribe you have been spewing all along. If you can't be logically, at least try to be original so that your posts are so insufferable. I've got a nagging feeling though, that I'm flogging a dead horse.