Actually money is no problem. My concern is that i look wired afterwards. I wanted to Do 5cm femur. I also wanted to be able to do the whole thing in 6 months. But there are voices saying it takes years to walk again without others to notice.
Quote from: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on September 19, 2014, 10:03:11 PMbets is still a doctor who will get you through leg lengthening. he is not a butcher, just make sure you have enough money to pay for a replacement nail if you go through with him.
if you are a millionaire and money means nothing to you then bets is a fine choice.
That's not true. Dr. Betz has many patients with permanent problems long time after. Why do you make such statements without knowing Dr. Betz?
I was making a relative comparison to a butcher.
a butcher would be someone like sarin.
remember the word I inserted to make a comparison. ...................1 more time.......... butcher.
my statement was bets is not a butcher.
however if you want to have a brand new discussion on the statistics of patients with long term serious complications.
then I am all for it. 
the nail strength is already statistically validated. so if you want to shift gears and discuss bets as a doctor then present your stats.
if you can present a compelling argument then I am more than happy to call bets a butcher.
There are 2 main categories of patients who get serious injuries with Dr. Betz:
The first are the femur patients with broken nails. Depending on the circumstances these patients get serious injuries like fractures, nerve damage and muscle injuries. Just use common sense and imagine what can happen in case a nail breaks in a leg which is under mechanical tension from being lengthened. Further the patients can fall down and get additional injuries and fractures. Another risk is the transport of the patient with the broken nail which has sharp edges and easily cuts muscles and nervs.
The second category are all of Dr. Betz's tibia patients. They really are getting butchered. Hardly any of them remains without problems. Compartment syndrome, permanent nerve damage, non-union and bone infection are very common. There is only 1 diary but look what happened to Apotheosis: non-union plus broken nail plus bent fibula screws which will lead to arthritis in the future. In addition he got a bone infection during his arm lengthening. And now, nearly 3 years after his tibia surgery he is still not fully consolidated.
You might call Dr. Betz as you like, but the matter is very serious.
Thank you for your information Mime.
im not saying your wrong.
far from it.
however that does not constitute proof.
we need total number of diaries and then total number of recorded complications in those diaries to work out a statistic for incidence.
this is only theoretical complications. if we are going to make claims we need to crunch the numbers properly and not use anecdotal evidence.
I am curious. how many diaries do we have with bets on LL Forum? and old forum ?
I always thought Betz is the Best doctor to go with. There are so many positive diaries on old forum . I Do Not understand where you get this Bad opinion about betz. I had consultation with him. He Showed some patients. All were well
Yes because a doctor whos trying to get your money will show you patients with complications.... Of course he'll show you the good stories, every doctor out there will do the same
What he hasnt shown you are the bent and broken nails that SO MANY of his patients end up getting which then needs to be replaced with titanium nails which cost another $20-30,000, I havent checked the replacement price in quite sometime but thats how much they were before I think.
Originally I was also on the Betz bandwaggon and had him locked in for my first femur surgery until I read more of his patients diaries on old forum and realised they all had something in common, bent or broken nails.. Im sure Dr Betz knows about this problem but wont fix it, why? Because its another $20-30,000 in his pocket, thats why
If you've had a consultation with Betz and feel he is the one, then go for it, nobody is stopping you, your money your decision. Im sure Betz is a good doctor and isnt a butcher like Dr Sarin, but he seems to lack ethics and morals. Seems more like a businessman(and a shady one at it) than a caring doctor. Me personally Im looking elsewhere atm. Add to that his affiliation and dealings with Sysop/Apo/Anderson or what ever pseudonym he's going with these days and you get the point
There are also some without any problems like hanna or goldie
oldie but Goldie = 65kg very light.
hanna = don't know weight: but she is a girl who was 158cm. so probably not very heavy.
but either way there are only 50% of people with nail breaks so there will no doubt be people who weigh less and are complication free.
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