For you very short guys, even if you hit 5'7 or 5'8 you'll be fine

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Quote from: afonso on December 13, 2014, 07:08:53 PMPlease stop boxing yourselves in regarding age.  For starters i'm in my late 40s and am in the best shape of my life.  3 years ago I climbed Kilimanjaro and have done more the a couple of century bike rides the last couple of years (100 mile bike ride equivalent to marathon). The problem with associating rigid characteristics to age is that they become self fulfilling prophecies.  In my 20s I erroneously thought similarly to many on this thread.  That just led to needless anxiety as those milestones came around and worst of all impacted the sweetness of life.   Now I'm not trying to rewrite the laws of nature but man it's not like you go over a cliff on your 30th bday either.   You have some control of how fulfilling and active your life is at all ages don't forget that and if you find yourself being one of those people that use age as the excuse to stop you all I can say - poor excuse!!

In my life I've seen the gamut from 20 somethings ready for retirement homes to 90 somethings burning the midnight oil.  These are obvious extremes but don't lose the message in the dramatization.  I'll leave you with this example to bring home my point.  This past summer I found myself in a new city wanting to go for a group cycle ride.  I found a local club that did regular runs so I signed up for a 40 mile ride.  Everyone in the group was in their 30s -5 0s. The leader of this ride was this incredibly fit rider that spent most of his time waiting for us to catchup. About 3/4 of the way on the trip we stopped at his very beautiful house where he treated us to some food and beverages.  The house was filled with pictures of him and his family and from those pictures of him as a great grandfather it was immediately apparent that the man cleaning our clocks all morning was much older than all of us.  It turned out he was 77 and a serious athlete at any age.    This story isn't a one off there are many similar examples.

They are always exceptions but the general rule is if you don't eat right or exercise you'll look older quicker and it will be harder to move. But my Dad is pushing 70 but he looks like he's about 50 due to him exercising and eating right. I eat fairly well, cheat 1-2x a week and in good shape.

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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on December 13, 2014, 09:02:20 PMThey are always exceptions but the general rule is if you don't eat right or exercise you'll look older quicker and it will be harder to move. But my Dad is pushing 70 but he looks like he's about 50 due to him exercising and eating right. I eat fairly well, cheat 1-2x a week and in good shape.

Keep that up and you will feel good for a long time !!

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From my experience 5'8 is a decent height even 5'7, things get much easier if you get buffed, and have a charming face. My problem is that I have the genes of my dad who has baldness (of course not completely bald but he is receding), luckily I will get a hair transplant ( or two to get a full head of hair) and then maybe go for LL though I find it unlikely, because I don't know how my life will be..anyway embrace what you have until you can and want to change it

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Quote from: ForcedPuberty on December 13, 2014, 02:03:25 PMTomD

amazing words. I can almost taste the wisdom of your words with my eyes

I really like reading things from people who understand things properly.

when do you think you will get LL and where?

Thank you for the kind words. I wish I had the extra 20 years that you guys do . Time does go faster as you age. 

I keep going back and forth from cheaping out in India or Russia , and then going internal in Europe. I live in Florida but Paley and the others here are TOO expensive.

I plan to do 7cm on both segments . 14cm in all. Start at 171cm and end at 185.

How about you?

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I think if you want a girl who's 5'8" and above, 5'8" and 5'7" are bad heights but in reality, your still taller than most women so you'll probably be fine with average and short women.

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it all depends where u are geographically.

in asia, anything above 185 is freakish, ie above, three standard deviations. Yes there will be 5% of people with that height, but its not "normal height" - Paley.

Well, in america, that number is 188. But who really cares. Just do what height u want.

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Quote from: ItsMyLife on December 14, 2014, 03:42:50 PMit all depends where u are geographically.

in asia, anything above 185 is freakish, ie above, three standard deviations. Yes there will be 5% of people with that height, but its not "normal height" - Paley.

Well, in america, that number is 188. But who really cares. Just do what height u want.

Lol, Asian women don't find caucasian men freakish. All of them want 6'0" plus white guys!

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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on December 14, 2014, 10:52:16 AMI think if you want a girl who's 5'8" and above, 5'8" and 5'7" are bad heights but in reality, your still taller than most women so you'll probably be fine with average and short women.

Hi Ajax. In part of my post I address this concern but forgot to detail as to why.

I thought exactly like you. If I am 5ft 7 , then it stands to reason women 5ft to 5ft2 or 3 should be perfect for me. Sounds reasonable right?

Wrong. Much to my chagrin, women of all stripes want tall men. I couldn't wrap my head around it at first. Why would a woman 5ft 2 need to be with a guy 6ft ? She would need a ladder to kiss the guy.

Turns out, women are attracted to us for our height because of the confidence and power it gives us. A woman wants to know her man is strong enough to protect her and is respected by other men as well. Our society shuns short men, so short guys are not respected by medium and tall  men and thus we are rejected by women.

We need to find women who dont care about height. Its such a fundamental beauty trait for men that women only reject height because they cant get a tall guy who is worth a damn so they 'settle' for a short guy who has everything else going for him.

I tried to deny it because quite frankly, I had no choice. Now we do have a choice.

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My point was is that most women 5'6" and under will date a guy 5'7". Yes they want a tall man but they'll still date a man who's 5'7" or 5'8". Anything less than 5'6" isn't good not detrimental but not good.

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I think many women have a cut off around 5'8" - 5'9".  5'7" is close, 5'6 isn't close enough, 5'5" is not even close.  I am 5'6" and I have gotten some real good looking girls but I've been rejected by more purely because of height.