http://www.lastampa.it/2016/07/27/societa/abbiamo-superato-gli-americani-ma-soltanto-in-altezza-ZFTFUVSSB46dNOYO65WUzI/amphtml/pagina.amp.html
It's Italian but you can use Google translator anyway in simple terms young Italians are 177.8 and young Americans are 177.2 on average (I guess different ethnic groups have different averages with Latinos lowering the average). Researches are FROM Imperial College of London.
So this confirmed my idea of new generations being definitely taller of the standard 175 cm which was said to be the average for Italians.
If you consider that in northern Italy people are taller than southern Italy, I think that those 177.8 cm in northern Italy (where I live) could reach the 180 cm. Also here there are a lot of Chinese and Indian or Middle eastern teens who could have lowered the average of the real Italian teens. This would confirm why girls nowadays treat you as "shorty" if you are less than 180 cm. Because you are shorter than average (and they tend to look for the guys at least slightly Above average so I guess that to be sure that height won't be a problem with any girls you have to be at least 182 cm, 6 feet). 183 cm is the new 180 cm (the standard "good height") and 180 cm is the new 177 cm (the average height), we should deal with this.
So in conclusion, if you are 177 or 176.5 (depending on the measure) like me, you Are not short, but shorty. Here.
I wish I was 180 cm I would not ask anything more. 182 would be the best. I feel my legs are shorter than how they should be. My chest is broad and muscular with large shoulders and my legs are short and very muscular. This makes them look even shorter. I think I'm a perfect candidate for LL. Could you give me some advice on the type of LL to do and maybe where? Here in Italy would be the best. Otherwise in Europe.
New generations are taller, it's science (and Italians overcome Americans!)
You first came to the site claiming that 183 cm was the average and called yourself short at 177.5 cm, but according to your own study you're perfectly average height over there.
Height growth has been pretty significant in the past 150 years, but I think it's starting to taper off as nutrition is kind of "maxing" out. Maybe that's just wishful thinking though, because I don't want to get limb lengthening and then still be short 30 years down the road. 
Mean height has started to stagnate in the Netherlands, Denmark, the US and other countries. The demographic of African-American women in the US has experienced a reduction of average height.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1862.msg29608#msg29608
1) You are average height in Italy according to this research (Which exluded minorities) so stop trying to convince yourself you are short.
2) Stop to try to bring the other users here down by saying everyone are tall and that the new 180 (whatever that means) is 183.
3) I am a 171cm immigrant in Italy who had no problems with the height obssesed Italian girls.
4) You are probably incredibly ugly orr have an awful body shape (narrow shoulders, small bones or just fat) and that would explain how come that at your age you didn't have any GF
I have no more patience for incels. Get a psicologist or better surgeries to fix you face
Italy has about 60 million people and declining
America has around 330 million and increasing
Much easier to be 175 in Italy than America as the total number of tall and super tall people is far greater in America.
Also, I don't consider those numbers very accurate and Italy is still very very homogenous compared to America.
Average height of young caucasian males in America is significantly greater than the overall avg
You are too obsessed about height. If you were 165 I could understand but you're supposedly 177. Focus on more important issues
Quote from: crimsontide on April 21, 2017, 08:11:08 PMItaly has about 60 million people and declining
America has around 330 million and increasing
Much easier to be 175 in Italy than America as the total number of tall and super tall people is far greater in America.
Also, I don't consider those numbers very accurate and Italy is still very very homogenous compared to America.
Average height of young caucasian males in America is significantly greater than the overall avg
You are too obsessed about height. If you were 165 I could understand but you're supposedly 177. Focus on more important issues
So you agree with the average height is 6' for white teens in the USA?
British youth are probably taller because America has worse social programs and the average for British white kids (fully grown) might be closer to 6' than it is to my height (5'
but it is no way 6'.
Maybe 5'11 max.
Anyway average height is supposed to be in decline in America.
Plus.. what you just said makes no sense. Average height in America and Italy is very similar for young white people (within a range of like 1.5 cm as far as I remember).
Given the way averages are calculated, it wouldn't make sense that there are much less super tall people in Italy.
Quote from: crimsontide on April 21, 2017, 08:11:08 PMItaly has about 60 million people and declining
America has around 330 million and increasing
Much easier to be 175 in Italy than America as the total number of tall and super tall people is far greater in America.
That isn't really logical. Whether a population has more tall people in numbers is irrelevant, what is relevant is only the ratio of heights. You're not gonna see 330 million people in your life, ever. You're never gonna see 60 million people as a typical Italian. You're gonna see the people at your work, at your school, at the street when you go outside, at the subway station, in a club, and so on. That's a couple of dozends people on a lonely day and a couple of hundreds on a very busy day, both in America and Italy. In a population with relatively more short people, you're gonna feel better and vice versa. The total number is irrelevant.
Yep and your perfectly average height as you just proved it in your post. If you want to be above average, then that's another story but I'd prefer fixing the other below-avg things first before moving on to improving the perfectly average things that as of now matter less. Could be your body shape (for that go to the gym) or improve personality.
Besides my 169 cm height, my skinny body figure and narrow shoulders are also things holding me back, not height alone.
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