What is your ideal height and why?

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Quote from: Wannabegiant on October 10, 2014, 05:08:32 PMIts important to make a distinction between those who want LL and are objectively short and those who already are average. It was already mentioned that people who objectively are below average height usually face external discrimination regardless how they feel about themselves, while those who are already average, like you said yourself your problem is technically only internal, people at average height dont face anywhere near the same level of discrimination, so the reason they do the surgery is to get luxuries, they are greedy for more benefits to be completely honest.

under average people just dont want to have to compensate for being short, if you are below average you will face discrimination unless you have a lot to make up for your height. Its not greedy to get rid of that handicap.

speak about urself

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QuoteIts important to make a distinction between those who want LL and are objectively short and those who already are average. It was already mentioned that people who objectively are below average height usually face external discrimination regardless how they feel about themselves, while those who are already average, like you said yourself your problem is technically only internal, people at average height dont face anywhere near the same level of discrimination, so the reason they do the surgery is to get luxuries, they are greedy for more benefits to be completely honest.

under average people just dont want to have to compensate for being short, if you are below average you will face discrimination unless you have a lot to make up for your height. Its not greedy to get rid of that handicap.

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It really depends on what you want to do at your height.

Sometimes I feel that I still need to compensate for my perfectly average height when vying for leadership or alpha male positions because most of the top contenders for such positions tend to be and are expected to be substantially above average in height, so an average sized guy is expected to be a follower instead of a leader, and is seen as challenging the norm of he tries otherwise, whereas, while I hate to say it, the bellow average height people aren't even wanted as followers or parts of the group.

If you want to be included in groups without height discrimination coming into play, then average height is what you'd need. If you want to lead these groups without height discrimination causing people to reject you subconsciously as the leader to varying degrees, then a tall height is what you'd need.

Of course there are exceptions, and charisma can go further than height ever can. But when discussing height related stereotypes and expectations, I do believe that the above holds true in most cases.

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Quote from: Taller on October 10, 2014, 05:22:04 PMIt really depends on what you want to do at your height.

Sometimes I feel that I still need to compensate for my perfectly average height when vying for leadership or alpha male positions because most of the top contenders for such positions tend to be and are expected to be substantially above average in height, so an average sized guy is expected to be a follower instead of a leader, and is seen as challenging the norm of he tries otherwise, whereas, while I hate to say it, the bellow average height people aren't even wanted as followers or parts of the group.

If you want to be included in groups without height discrimination coming into play, then average height is what you'd need. If you want to lead these groups without height discrimination causing people to reject you subconsciously as the leader to varying degrees, then a tall height is what you'd need.

Of course there are exceptions, and charisma can go further than height ever can. But when discussing height related stereotypes and expectations, I do believe that the above holds true in most cases.

Yeah thats obvious but things like leadership and alpha male positions, if you feel that you need those kind things so much that you would do LL for it, then that is the perfect example of greed. Like it was mentioned earlier, it is possible to achieve those luxuries without being very tall, but you have to work a lot harder.

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Maybe it's greed and maybe it's simply natural selection. Thanks for sharing your perspective on it though. It definitely is a valid one to consider.

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Quote from: Taller on October 10, 2014, 05:33:23 PMMaybe it's greed and maybe it's simply natural selection. Thanks for sharing your perspective on it though. It definitely is a valid one to consider.

How can it be natural selection? I dont see how that could have anything to do with a persons goals. Personality, values and goals are pretty much only determined by the environment, not genes.

If someone wants to be a leader or an alpha simply for the status that follows, then that is greed and has very little if anything to do with genes. If a person is tall, then that is a trait which will make it easier to to become a leader, but if you do LL, then there is nothing natural about it either. So i dont see any correlation here.

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hmm interesting development on the thread.

all I will comment on is that natural selection is not based on insecurities it is based on greater reproductive success.

the desire to be taller can never be a part of natural selection because it is a trait that can not be altered naturally.

also natural selection is determined by the females,(not on how males view themselves) and females clearly have the most reproductive success with males of average height of 177.X cms.

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Quote from: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 10, 2014, 05:59:21 PMhmm interesting development on the thread.

all I will comment on is that natural selection is not based on insecurities it is based on greater reproductive success.

the desire to be taller can never be a part of natural selection because it is a trait that can not be altered naturally.

also natural selection is determined by the females,(not on how males view themselves) and females clearly have the most reproductive success with males of average height of 177.X cms.

That's true natural selection is something that works in ecology not social situations. Humans don't even have alpha males that's mostly a thing for lupine animals like wolves.

What Taller says is right though and it's where I notice obvious discrimination as well: I just can't command respect or lead a group of taller men which really is a thorn in my side.
I don't think it's greedy (not that I care much either way) to want to get taller when you aren't that short to begin with there is still more disadvantages than perks with my stature and I plan to change that.

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Quote from: Uppland on October 10, 2014, 06:18:06 PMThat's true natural selection is something that works in ecology not social situations. Humans don't even have alpha males that's mostly a thing for lupine animals like wolves.

What Taller says is right though and it's where I notice obvious discrimination as well: I just can't command respect or lead a group of taller men which really is a thorn in my side.
I don't think it's greedy (not that I care much either way) to want to get taller when you aren't that short to begin with there is still more disadvantages than perks with my stature and I plan to change that.

Thats just silly, not being able to command or lead a group is not being discriminated against, its an ability and a privilege not an entitlement. Wanting height to make it easier to achieve the goal of becoming a leader is a luxury, its not something anyone should expect or demand to get. Wanting to get luxuries is greedy, wanting to do LL just so you can more easily be able to be a leader or get other extra benefits is greedy.

Im not saying its a big deal, but lets be honest here, it IS greedy. But feel free to be greedy, getting LL is everyones own choice.

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Alpha-male? Leadership? Height? Can't command or lead a group of taller men? Mr. Vladimir Putin laughs at you all.