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Posted on Dec 7, 2015, 8:42 pm
#1

I think it's very dangerous when doctors become salesmen.
Instead of telling their patients about the risks of these surgery they say everything is perfect and all their patients are fine while some are having serious problems. FRom a businessman perspective this is normal, but should a doctor act like this?
I have visited many LL doctors and have met many LL patients and I have found that most doctors have forgotten about their duties as doctors and are focusing on their LL business.
These are despicable cases of dishonesty everybody here should know.

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Posted on Dec 7, 2015, 9:15 pm
#2

Considering your previous post I'm assuming you know some yourself, in which case I'd ask that you share these stories with us; but I also ask that they in some form be backed up by evidence (which can be hard but making baseless accusations can be just as bad especially when dealing with a life-altering surgery).

In any case to answer your own query, in terms of dishonesty the only one I constant hear brought up is Dr. Sarin. Whether they are all true or not I still don't know. With him it seems like a case similar to Bill Cosby where plenty of people have accused him so I figure there must be some degree of truth behind it; among other tangible proofs that prove both cases. I honestly wouldn't trust him so I'm not going to India anytime soon.

As far other top doctors I wouldn't know. Doctors like Guichet, Paley, Rozbrouch, Mahboubian, Monegal and really any U.S/first world based doctor will try to hold himself at a higher degree of professionalism and care because they have so much more ridding in each case they deal with with fear of ruining their reputations.

Also as far as Salesman like activities, it's a given each one is going to act like it because of the nature of this procedure. I firmly believe that they shouldn't but as long as they never underestimate the complications of this procedure then I have no real issue with it. Case in point, Dr. Mahboubian, an LA based doctor, seems like your typically sleazy marketing doctor because he actively markets LL like it's just a basic procedure, but so far no one has really had any problems under his care. But like anything dealing with LL, nothing is given, so take everything you read with a grain of salt

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Posted on Dec 7, 2015, 10:22 pm
#3

"I have visited many LL doctors and have met many LL patients and I have found that most doctors have forgotten about their duties as doctors and are focusing on their LL business."

Evidences or didn't happen.

"These are despicable cases of dishonesty everybody here should know."

Wait, which cases are you taking about?

First of all, cosmetic (not medically required) procedures are for profit. This applies not only to LL. I'm pretty sure any ethical doctor would be against altering a perfectly functional nose just because the patient wanted to look like someone she saw on t.v. To answer your question, Yes, they are DOCTORS AND SALESMEN. But that does not mean that they are bound to lie. Remember doctors dedicated a decade of their lives studying their profession, let alone practicing it. So I doubt they will deliberately do something that would cost them their medical license getting revoked.

Your best bet is to consider this decision thoroughly, discuss it with your GP, and read peer reviewed papers. Over and over again. And If ever you decided to go through this process, choose the right doctor and you have to trust him.

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 12:10 am
#4


Dr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.

In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.

I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.

After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.

I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told.  Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.

There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors.

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 12:59 am
#5

This is what i was about to post in my next off topic post. Dr monegal and that music maker and all those diary's seem full of fking crap I keep giving trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this guy is legit and what sounded 2 good to be true was legit. but the way he lost his frame arguing on a forum, the number of people (fake accounts) on here suk his dck, and just all the diaries looked like a promotion diary edited to perfection to the benefit of monegal. it was just way to many red flags to ignore.


Anyways i think he is full of it because i knew spain was going through a deep recession and extreme economic woes currently... i didnt think that a doctor would be this desperate to find other means of creating income.


On Bohemia post where he had to hand cash to the doctor instead of the hospital i knew 100% this guy was full of crap but again i gave the benefit of the doubt. Then i continued reading this "diaries" and saw some of these videos. It was all but indirect way of self promotion. If anyone beleive this musicmaker because shes a chick and you short guys are that lonely and pathetic to believe this typical bitch (it may even be a male behind the account). There was a dude on here named Forcedpuberty who was pretty tough on the guy and for good reason. LL aint no joke and there are people who will take advantage of this situation for money. Remember the first rule of life. EVERYONE IS UTTERLY SELFISH> Whether that selfishness is used towards good or bullcrap everyone is always in it for themselves. don't ever underestimate it.

I noticed some people who actually LL are considering him and i really hope they reconsider and get a more reliable doctor. Other people can continue to go to this guy but i wouldnt risk it. I trust my gut feeling over most things and personally its never let me down.

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 1:17 am
#6

Let's not jump to conclusions here as we aren't seeing the whole picture. I hope Dr. Monegal responds to these accusations. I am not trying to protect anybody. Although lying to a prospect patient is unacceptable for me also (If what LLuser1is saying is true).

Let's not slander Dr. Monegal. He seems to be a good person. He helped dwarf kids in past for free (as per him).

I have to agree tho, this Musicmaker person is a bit of dong rider when it comes to Monegal.  Doctors or salesmen? Cases of dishonesty in LL

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 1:45 am
#7

ForcedPuberty was tough on him, because he was attacked by members of the forum after having given his opinion on 2 issues:
1) he didn't like Dr Monegal's two-stage procedure
2) he thought doing tibia and femur of the same leg at the same time didn't make sense.
Curiously enough, this doctor does bilateral femurs now, even if he said it was very dangerous, and opts for crosslateral approach when doing four segments. Forcedpuberty was right at the end.

 

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 2:08 am
#8

Another thing people told me is Dr Monegal sometimes forgets important things. He forgot to prescribe heparine shots to the American guy whose implants failed. Gross failure.

I agree with Moose that diaries here are full of  . Bohemia's diary is disgusting. And that girl Musicmaker seems stupid. Promoting a doctor in a such a ridiculous way when you are screwed up for life doesn't make sense at all. I haven't met her but people told me she is wheelchair bounded and keeps defending him.

Don't believe a word of diaries. Dr Monegal controls every word they say.

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 2:37 am
#9

Of course there is deceit and dishonesty in this business. The creation of forum is directly related to the scam that occurred in India a few years back, where forum owners and doctors colluded to trick patients into having the surgery- something of which I fell victim to. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the patient to undergo surgery, so if anything feels or seems shady, you should listen to your instinct.

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Posted on Dec 8, 2015, 3:44 am
#10

Quote from: LLuser1 on December 08, 2015, 12:10:54 AMDr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.

In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.

I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.

After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.

I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told.  Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.

There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors


Dear user

It seems like you do Not like me. But you should know What you talk about because saying this bunch of false information in public is against law. And just to your knowledge I will contact my lawyer so we can proceed with legal action against either you and The forum for non reviewing What you just wrote.

When patients come to see me, i show Them The Clinic and The facilities at MIC sant Jordi where patients stay after surgery. Having said That, the residents can meet The visitors But I cannot force residents to meet Them. I think a potential patient needs to know What he migth find in The future...and me too. From The 3 potential patients I met in october, I will operate only one of Them. The Other 2, one is too tall in my opinion and The Other one does Not accomplish psychological standards required for someone undergoing a procedure loke this. Probably That s you. And 1 out of 3 is Not exactly moneymaking.

Here comes The bomb: When you affirm something like What you say about MM and another imaginative patient I ex-fixed you are violating 2 things here. Privacy and truth. I hope your sources and yourself can proof What you said, because this is a public forum and you are saying false accussations. I Did Not ex fix none of my patients and Did Not charge money to any of my american patients for implant change. You have to check your sources before throwing all this.
About MM you all know She has had a rougth time after falling and fracturing Her femur. I went personally to Her local town (1500km a way) to fix That with no cost. She is thankfull and positive and What She needs is care and support, and Not stupid comments such as yours, trolling messages and prívate mails from disgusting people. I am happy to say She is doing well now But probably this is Not interesting for toxic people loke you.

Of course limb lengthening is Not easy, and every single doctor has has own complications. As one patients of mine says "this is Not a walk in The park". But attacking doctors or patients having issues is Not The way. There are some users here They will probably never do LL. Probably They don t have The money or The guts to do it. That s respectable. But to confirm themselves That They are rigth, They always look to attack doctors, look for patients in trouble or They start to troll forums.

I cannot say truth about my patients because I do Not talk about Them. Privacy exists here.
Probably you don t understand What this is, But you crossed a couple of lines here. Patients wrote What They Want on their diaries. I always tell Them to be carefull sharing Medical information in public because of privacy.


A salesmen? I do Not consider me a salesman.
A while ago I stoped posting here because some trolls acused me and Other doctors like Dr Franz of promotion. If I show potential patients What They migth find in Barcelona this is salesman.
That s funny. Let me say a few things:

1 I receive 5-6 mails per day about LL
2 I probably operate 1 out of 10 patients That ask for info
3 I have been offered 2000€ per implant If I change Fitbone and use another internal instead. I prefer using Fitbone (with no profit)
4 i have never charged money to any of my patients in case of complications
5 i recommend my patients to do 2 stage Eventhought i have to make 1500€ discount from my personal income, so They can afford it.
6 i have done bilateral procedures during 10 years. That s Not New (so thanks for trying). I always recommend 2 stage to my patients But bilateral can be done. They are all aware of possible complications and recovery When doing bilaterals.
7 i do Not have a webpage
8 self advertising is prohibited in spain

Of course doctors work to earn money. But do Not forget That becoming a LL doctor requires a lot of studying and training. So respect is a basic prínciple you should use here.
I can bear with personal attacks But Not with false acusación posted in public board.
As I said, it takes a Long time and lot of hard work.

Regards to all non toxic users

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