Also Tom Cruise is 172cm which is taller than most members of this forum before leg lengthening anyway.
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html
Quote from: MrHandsome on October 09, 2017, 12:01:05 AMAlso Tom Cruise is 172cm which is taller than most members of this forum before leg lengthening anyway.
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html
He is not. Celebheights is wrong on him and he used to have him as 5.65, I don't know why it changed it. He is definitely less than 5.7 otherwise he wouldn't have considered short.
Zac Effron who is 1.73 and is about average has never called short in media but Cruise is, again and again.
So 1.72 is wrong.
1.68-9 is the reality.
And yes, 1.68 is not an acceptable height for a man in the west. Nothing less than 1.70 is and nothing less than 1.75 is respectable.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on October 08, 2017, 03:40:27 PMI have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
You win
Quote from: Body Builder on October 09, 2017, 12:12:23 AMHe is not. Celebheights is wrong on him and he used to have him as 5.65, I don't know why it changed it. He is definitely less than 5.7 otherwise he wouldn't have considered short.
Zac Effron who is 1.73 and is about average has never called short in media but Cruise is, again and again.
So 1.72 is wrong.
1.68-9 is the reality.
And yes, 1.68 is not an acceptable height for a man in the west. Nothing less than 1.70 is and nothing less than 1.75 is respectable.
5'8 is still short for young people these days. The average height for white men in the United States is 5'10.5" and that is the western standard. Anything under 5'9 is short and anything under 5'7 is not acceptable for dating. 5'11 and above is a respectable height. This is just my opinion.
But over 5'9 and you are no longer going to experience "heightism"
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on October 08, 2017, 03:40:27 PMI have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
lmaoooooo 
I think heightism is also regional. If you go to the bigger cities, girls seem to care more about money. I think it also has to do with safety of the region, in countries like Korea and Japan, girls care about height but not muscle I think because it is so safe there and people are very polite. In North America, there's more variety of people, and has the dog-eat-dog attitude. There's also more severe crime related to drugs and firearms so I think girls find security in big burly guys. And yes there maybe exceptions but I'm starting to feel that even if you marry someone that's truly great, with everybody getting divorced, when that person leaves you are screwed if you don't have either money or looks to meet someone new when I'm older.
Everyone on here probably already know/noticed that taller people are treated nicer and they are not even aware of how those treat others like garbage. Did anyone ever notice that among their group of friends, it was always the tallest guy who had a girlfriend? I didn't even notice this until another friend pointed this out. It's bad enough that tv actors have to lie about their height to get fame, and with people spending less time together and more time alone and hooked up to TV or internet they are only exposed to tall, beautiful, fit people so their idea of what average is completely warped. Average height has been 5'9 5'10 for decades because human beings don't evolve that fast but female expectation of male height was 6ft and now they want 6'2. c'mon?? I always wanted to do leg lengthening to get girls but didn't go through with it until one day. What tipped me over is I started work and two tall and probably more fat than muscle guys at work started to bully me. They were the two biggest guys probably 6'2 and 6'4 and ~250 at work. They had seniority so I couldn't confront them, and I didn't feel it manly to go seek help from management. I probably would have stayed given the years of abuse I took and got used to over my life, but one day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest. I quit my job and got leg lengthening. I told myself even if I die doing this, I'll do it because I couldn't live life like this. When I get back to doing my career, I told myself I wouldn't let this happen to me again, and frankly, even with all this feminism bs, I want to be a man and protect my loved ones. I told myself I would take whatever to get stronger and more intimidating than before. I hope this crap works.
So yeah, my rant.
Quote from: jerkey on October 09, 2017, 03:07:17 AMone day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest.
I appreciate the honesty and vulnerability but I will be straight with you. You let them treat you that way. They put you down because you were (past tense not present) the type of guy that lets others put them down. You could have nipped it in the bud as soon as soon as it started. Not to get all "tough guy" on you but death before dishonor bro. There's no shame in getting your ass whooped, there is shame in letting people walk all over you though. Don't take abuse from anyone.
Please don't take all of this as an insult though trust me literally everyone has had moments where they let fear/insecurity get the best of them. And I know that I haven't said anything that you haven't already realized yourself. I can tell you've have enough of bull and your ready to start kicking ass and taking names. I'm excited for you.
The point of all of this though, is that it was never about the height. Yea you may be treated worse initially when someone first meets you, but immediately after that, you get treated exactly how you let people treat you.
I've been told this before and I want to set boundaries but I felt that it was either I get fired from confronting them and taking it to the point of fighting (ie. causing trouble at work, probably discipline and fired) or I walk out and try to find another job. I think the bullies always prey on this too. Bullies don't pick fights with people bigger than them, they always pick on the vulnerable, either physically or in a lower position. I was both. I, at least I think, never so much as say anything bad about others and just want to focus on my work because of I've been bullied alot. I know I need to find a midpoint between fighting and not doing anything, but I don't even know what I'm supposed to do to not let them walk all over me. I'm not the best with words and don't even like talking alot and never badmouth people behind their backs (what people do all the time at work). The best I feel like I can do is keep them off me with size (intimidation factor) without losing my job. It sucks that alot of people are not reasonable and push until they hit people's boundaries.
Death before dishonor would be ideal but I feel people that bully others - what's to say they won't purposely jab you in the eye and you go blind?
Quote from: jerkey on October 09, 2017, 03:07:17 AMI think heightism is also regional. If you go to the bigger cities, girls seem to care more about money. I think it also has to do with safety of the region, in countries like Korea and Japan, girls care about height but not muscle I think because it is so safe there and people are very polite. In North America, there's more variety of people, and has the dog-eat-dog attitude. There's also more severe crime related to drugs and firearms so I think girls find security in big burly guys. And yes there maybe exceptions but I'm starting to feel that even if you marry someone that's truly great, with everybody getting divorced, when that person leaves you are screwed if you don't have either money or looks to meet someone new when I'm older.
Everyone on here probably already know/noticed that taller people are treated nicer and they are not even aware of how those treat others like garbage. Did anyone ever notice that among their group of friends, it was always the tallest guy who had a girlfriend? I didn't even notice this until another friend pointed this out. It's bad enough that tv actors have to lie about their height to get fame, and with people spending less time together and more time alone and hooked up to TV or internet they are only exposed to tall, beautiful, fit people so their idea of what average is completely warped. Average height has been 5'9 5'10 for decades because human beings don't evolve that fast but female expectation of male height was 6ft and now they want 6'2. c'mon?? I always wanted to do leg lengthening to get girls but didn't go through with it until one day. What tipped me over is I started work and two tall and probably more fat than muscle guys at work started to bully me. They were the two biggest guys probably 6'2 and 6'4 and ~250 at work. They had seniority so I couldn't confront them, and I didn't feel it manly to go seek help from management. I probably would have stayed given the years of abuse I took and got used to over my life, but one day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest. I quit my job and got leg lengthening. I told myself even if I die doing this, I'll do it because I couldn't live life like this. When I get back to doing my career, I told myself I wouldn't let this happen to me again, and frankly, even with all this feminism bs, I want to be a man and protect my loved ones. I told myself I would take whatever to get stronger and more intimidating than before. I hope this crap works.
So yeah, my rant.
Why is there such a primal/cynical view in this forum about how life is like today? Especially in America, we don't live in a world where you have to depend on just physical appearance/ability. We are not fking cavemen anymore, we've created society specifically for this reason. Do you really think a scientist, doctor, etc, has to depend on their appearance to survive? This isn't a post-apocalyptic world mate; girls aren't looking for someone to save them every second .
Nice people are treated nice. People who have status (money and intelligence) are looked up too regardless of their physical appearance. Unless you're not human, if you have fame, money, or high intelligence everyone respects that.
No.
No one does this wtf. Sure it contributes to getting roles if you meet a specific physical appearance. However, you're already starting with a crap/stupid assumption.
What kind of a crap work environment/alternate world were you living in?? Why the fk didn't you talk to management about it? To feel like you were going to be physically assaulted (as you imply) is in no way ok in a civilized world. I'm genuinely sorry you went through that, I really am because it sounds like a nightmare scenario. But you should have done something about it, those fat fks needed to be disciplined for it. And say if they weren't, then honestly you shouldn't have worked their anymore. But more than anything, you shouldn't have let them get to you like that.
Let me tell you upfront, that's not gonna work. One you're no longer as physically fit/agile as before, so if you actually get in a confrontation, you're pretty fked. Second, you already lost. You let them get to you and you did something pretty drastic. If they know what you did they will mock you even more and you'll never hear the end of it.
But looking into the future, if you're perspective on life is constant physical (or implied) confrontations, then you're already living a pretty crapty life tbh. I don't know what your career is, but I advice changing tracks now, and changing mindsets.
Hey thanks for your input ALU although it hurts. I think its instinct that tells all of us to bite through it and things will get better, I did for years. I say I got bullied for years but I "beat" all the bullies in every social measure by becoming extremely successful while those guys became massage therapists (no offense) and drug addicts. But guess what, that new level had its own bullies. Winning or losing, I'm too old to care. I don't want to fight, I just want them to stop bothering me so I can do my job and get married. I looked around me, and nobody that was pretty big either muscular or tall got bullied. I'm trying to do both. I weight 190 pounds now.
Also, I don't understand the part about constant confrontations. How did you know?
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