Is LL an irrational decision?

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Quote from: Premedlegs1994 on December 27, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
I researched about Dr. Paley a lot and was thinking of saving enough money to get surgery with him in 4-5 years. But I have found a lot of stuff on him that is not on this forum. Do your own research man when looking for a doctor.

If you have something concrete to share about Dr. Paley, the entire forum, myself included, would appreciate it. If you do not, please do not slander (this goes for any Dr., not just Dr. Paley).

That said, I'd love to know what you found that I could not, I dug pretty deep, with the help of another Dr.

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Doing LL isnt irrational at all. Its completely normal. Anyone here that is at the very least 5'4 and above should feel lucky though. Gaining 5 inches would put you at average. Think about the people that are midgets, 5'0 etc. Those that are 5'4-5'6 have a strong chance at becoming 5'10 which would be ideal. All my life ive been concerned about my height but i never really knew the importance of having a good diet. My diet was  ty as fk and thats the reason i think i ended up being shorter than my brother who is above 5'8. Im about 5'7.5 now though. Ive grown a few inches in the past year or so by having a better diet, but i wish i would have had a better diet alot sooner. I know i would have been 6' at the least. I started puberty late, at around 15-16. I also just recently made the assumption that i most likely needed hgh injections when younger but i got sent to a  ty endicrinologist that didnt even take bloodwork and assumed id be short bcus my parents were short. At 16 i could have easily saved myself with hgh injections because my growth plates were wide open. But i didnt think at that age they were open. I only knew this up until recently. One thing we all have in common though is that we all ended up short. Not sure if any of you ended up naturally short, or stayed short for a medical reason. Either way though, LL is worth it. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. You just have to know what you are getting into. Im 5'7.5 with a 5'6 wingspan. It sucks. I always hope that i can keep on growing into my 20s, and thats why ill be injecting hgh starting next month to see if i can dodge a bullet with LL. I did see some height growth after 18, and im very lucky because had i stayed 5'4 or even 5'0 which was my height as a freshman, id be in a very fked up position. Especially at 5'0.

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Quote from: CristianTheCuban on December 27, 2016, 09:01:47 PMDoing LL isnt irrational at all. Its completely normal. Anyone here that is at the very least 5'4 and above should feel lucky though. Gaining 5 inches would put you at average. Think about the people that are midgets, 5'0 etc. Those that are 5'4-5'6 have a strong chance at becoming 5'10 which would be ideal. All my life ive been concerned about my height but i never really knew the importance of having a good diet. My diet was crapty as fk and thats the reason i think i ended up being shorter than my brother who is above 5'8. Im about 5'7.5 now though. Ive grown a few inches in the past year or so by having a better diet, but i wish i would have had a better diet alot sooner. I know i would have been 6' at the least. I started puberty late, at around 15-16. I also just recently made the assumption that i most likely needed hgh injections when younger but i got sent to a crapty endicrinologist that didnt even take bloodwork and assumed id be short bcus my parents were short. At 16 i could have easily saved myself with hgh injections because my growth plates were wide open. But i didnt think at that age they were open. I only knew this up until recently. One thing we all have in common though is that we all ended up short. Not sure if any of you ended up naturally short, or stayed short for a medical reason. Either way though, LL is worth it. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. You just have to know what you are getting into. Im 5'7.5 with a 5'6 wingspan. It sucks. I always hope that i can keep on growing into my 20s, and thats why ill be injecting hgh starting next month to see if i can dodge a bullet with LL. I did see some height growth after 18, and im very lucky because had i stayed 5'4 or even 5'0 which was my height as a freshman, id be in a very fked up position. Especially at 5'0.

WTF?? You grew! Damn dude I am so happy for you! I remember seeing you post on here about a year ago. Wow congratulations! Hope you keep on growing and get to skip out on LL altogether:)

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Quote from: CristianTheCuban on December 27, 2016, 09:01:47 PMIve grown a few inches in the past year or so by having a better diet, but i wish i would have had a better diet alot sooner. I know i would have been 6' at the least.

No way to know that, only speculation. Also, a 5'4'' person has very slim chances of ever reaching 5'10'' with LL.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 27, 2016, 09:46:13 PMNo way to know that, only speculation. Also, a 5'4'' person has very slim chances of ever reaching 5'10'' with LL.

Why does this forum always try to cope so hard? Yes, your caloric intake and diet CAN/DO stunt your potential growth. Do you think your body is just supposed to generate new bone and flesh materials from dark matter? Why have the Dutch increased in 3 generations from being the shortest in the world to the tallest?

A lot of us here stunted our growth due to our poor eating habits or upbringings. That's a reality we have to accept, for the sake of other teens who could be reading this right now.

STUFF YOUR fkING FACE!!! If you're not a little bit chubby as a teen you're doing it wrong!!!

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on December 27, 2016, 09:48:59 PMWhy does this forum always try to cope so hard? Yes, your caloric intake and diet CAN/DO stunt your potential growth. Do you think your body is just supposed to generate new bone and flesh materials from dark matter? Why have the Dutch increased in 3 generations from being the shortest in the world to the tallest?

A lot of us here stunted our growth due to our poor eating habits or upbringings. That's a reality we have to accept, for the sake of other teens who could be reading this right now.

STUFF YOUR fkING FACE!!! If you're not a little bit chubby as a teen you're doing it wrong!!!

I was chubby and am 5'7... So? What did i do wrong?

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on December 27, 2016, 09:50:29 PMI was chubby and am 5'7... So? What did i do wrong?

Mate I was slightly underweight and I'm currently 5'4 maybe I could've been you! 

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on December 27, 2016, 09:51:19 PMMate I was slightly underweight and I'm currently 5'4 maybe I could've been you! 

My half brother was also underweight😃  he is 184cm now

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I am almost a pig and where are my 6´? Just joke, in this century almost nobody ends short because of alimentation wheter genetics and luck.

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on December 27, 2016, 09:48:59 PMWhy does this forum always try to cope so hard? Yes, your caloric intake and diet CAN/DO stunt your potential growth. Do you think your body is just supposed to generate new bone and flesh materials from dark matter? Why have the Dutch increased in 3 generations from being the shortest in the world to the tallest?

A lot of us here stunted our growth due to our poor eating habits or upbringings. That's a reality we have to accept, for the sake of other teens who could be reading this right now.

STUFF YOUR fkING FACE!!! If you're not a little bit chubby as a teen you're doing it wrong!!!

Dude, really..."cope"? Ignoring that I find this 4chan term idiotic, yes, it's a way to cope for me that it's a known fact, that no doctor, or scientist in this world can ever prove if, or by how much I stunted my growth. This fact helps me because it soothes the feeling of guilt over my lifestyle as a teenager. It's one thing to say that your could have optimized your growth (not "stunt") if you had a perfect lifestyle with a nutrition coach and no stress at all. It's another thing to say that a 5'7'' guy could definitely have achieved 6 feet if he "stuffed his face". That's unscientific garbage and every doctor will tell you so.

Adding to that, teenage years are a hard time because of the hormonal stress, bullying and performance pressure. And eating habits can be very hard to change. Even if you went back in time and ordered your former teenage self to eat more protein, calcium, calories and vitamin D, he might tell you to fk off and would resume to eating his Burger King meal and playing World of Warcraft, because that was the only thing that helped him to ease his teenage stress. Such is life.

Of course we should also not forget that millions of teenagers are skinny and lanky, and live unhealthy, and still reach very normal heights. You will not ever know if or by how much you stunted your growth. Let me repeat that: You will never know if or by how much you stunted your growth.