177 cm italian male

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Ah yes, the old 190cm average height in the 'new generation' argument

If you're feeling 'short' at 5'10, you're probably actually 5'7

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Quote from: Whereintheworld? on March 12, 2017, 04:23:36 PMAh yes, the old 190cm average height in the 'new generation' argument

If you're feeling 'short' at 5'10, you're probably actually 5'7

As someone who is 5'6" i always wonder is it really that bad at 5'10" that you would want to go through with a procedure like this?
i'm a whole 4  inches shorter and i'm still debating on weather or not I think this is even worth it.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 12, 2017, 11:48:08 AMI live in Emilia Romagna which is in the taller part of Italy. The average is not 183... Not even 180. You are perfectly average in Italy and even taller than the average in the south.

About height, yeah... I know that in Italy they have that phrase "Height is half the beauty-Altezza mezza belezza", but still, at your height you have no disadvantage what so ever... Also, who cares about what women find ideal? Of course they are going to find a tall, handsome, confident and rich guy as ideal... For me, Ornella Muti (when she was young) is the ideal women but I still date women far less pretty than her. If I, as an immigrant, 171 tall guy have no problem with women here, so shouldnt you.

Well what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.

You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.

Quote from: google42 on March 12, 2017, 05:40:46 PMAs someone who is 5'6" i always wonder is it really that bad at 5'10" that you would want to go through with a procedure like this?
i'm a whole 4  inches shorter and i'm still debating on weather or not I think this is even worth it.

In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?

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Quote from: TheLichKing on March 12, 2017, 06:43:32 PMWell what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.

You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.

In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?

 I've heard that even in the netherlands and denmark 5'10" is actually not bad either. You should really weigh the risks and benifits of this and think this surgery through with a clear mind set.

Im from hamilton ontario by the way

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Quote from: google42 on March 12, 2017, 07:07:01 PM I've heard that even in the netherlands and denmark 5'10" is actually not bad either. You should really weigh the risks and benifits of this and think this surgery through with a clear mind set.

Im from hamilton ontario by the way

I live in Waterloo for university People are tall lol compared to Residential cities like Mississauga. Night clubs can be difficult to deal with at times.

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Quote from: TheLichKing on March 12, 2017, 06:43:32 PMWell what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.

You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.

In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?

I am not from Canada. I think you are confusing me wth someone else. I am italian from Florence (YOu know Dante Alighieri...Medici...)

I am sorry. I took the most accurate measures and i am actually 177.5 cm most of the times. Sometimes i almost hit the 178 cm some other times i go closer to 177 cm. 80% of the times i am around 177.5 cm. I am not here to lie on my height i am sorry i am not that dull.
Also nelieve me, many girls here (i live in Florence Tuscany so central northern italy) are quite tall. I dont know exactely how much but i feel they are almost as tall as i am, maybe around 173 cm. So they naturally look for a 180+ cm guy. So i guess when they said (and they said that a lot or made me understand that) that i was shorty (even a 38 yo lawyer and academic i dated once told me that so not exactely a dumb teen) i tjink they implied i was not short in general but FOR THEIR IDEAL of man.  In the end there are many guys tall here and even if im generally average the girls tend to like the tall guys much much more. Girls tend to look for the best not the average. Its natural selection. EWhy choosing average genes when you can have the best ones?
And its not a thing related to personality. I could be a bit intrvert but im funny and i make them laugh too.
I always notice that they lose attraction simply when they know  i am not tall as they imagined. I think that even 1 inch or 1 inch and half in my case would make the difference making me enter the Elysium of the 5 11 or 6 feet.

Also, since many of you implied that i am some kind of troubled boring person, i am taking my degree in law and i have had success in studies since i was a child. I have always been considered intelligent by every teacher. I am not stupid. I know what i am doing.

And i am not a deluded person thinking that being taller will make me a winner. But it simply will help. That change together with other changes will make a big difference in my quality of life.  Dont tell me that looking people from a lower level does not lower your self esteem because it is not true. Height does help self esteem a lot. Exactely as a beautiful face (i would say 60% face 40% height) and a nice body. Is it the only thing? Absolutely not. 

I think that the pole of attraction for a man is: charisma, beauty (height + face), success in life (mainly career). So if you are taller you increase one of the 3 factors of attraction, which helps of course, but does not garantee anything, especially if the other values are very low (but charisma and career can be improved with simply dedication and constant effort, differently than height and beauty).
Also usually only 2 high values on 3 gives you a high value as man. For example: look+ charisma or look+success/career is usually enough for most women. Being high in all 3 makes you basically a God for women (and in general).

Being italjan and liking (pretty) women a lot, the simple chance of getting almost any (single) girls i want (girls go firstly for the good look) makes everything worth it.

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You will never be wanted by all women. My GF only likes guys with curly hair for example so if you have straight hair she will not find you attractive.
  I am also one of the shortest she ever dated but still I am the one with whom she had her longest relationship and the only one who got to know her family (she is only 21 so not exactly a woman in the end of her prime).

 I don't know... Maybe in Firenze it's different but here in Bologna I have had no difficulty having a GF. To be honest, the longest I ever had without having sxx with a girl (which I find attractive) was a month plus minus

 Prove a mettere I plantari. Ci sono quelli di 2-3 centimetri che puoi mettere dentro le scarpe. Se ci sara una grandissima differenza allora o che potresti andare avanti con l'operazione o che potrai rimanere con i plantari

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Drdruman I completely agree with your last post and my experience shows me exactly the same things.
If you really want your height to never be a problem with dating again, you should be at least 1 inch above average male height of your country and most of the times I think that this threshold is 1.80 cm height.

I believe that at your height you should still have enough chances for dating good looking women but it is the harsh truth that women are completely shallow when it comes to height.
They could be with a relativley obese or skinny man, a man with a less than average face, a bald man etc but hardly anyone could date a man with at least less than average height and almost any time they look for the tall ones even many average or shorter guys could be more handsome or with bigger muscles.

So yes, I understand what you say and your reasons to do LL although I believe than until you do it you should still try to flirt and improve your skills in that.
After all, when you are completely sure that you'll do LL, then you are more cool with your current height and don't care if you'll be rejected for that because you know that it will change.
The last about 4 months that I decided to do another LL I feel more free and less obsessed with my height and that helped me a little more with flirting although many of women still have problem with my height.
But I just don't care much. The only that matters for me is to find all the momey to go to a respectable doctor and have a truly good height like 1.80-81. Then I'm sure that everything will be much easier, especially on dating.

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^Hahaha oh man this is like a fatass giving another fatty dieting advice.

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Maybe try doing what DoingItForMe said for online dating: set your height higher and compare it with how many matches you get with your actual height.