177 cm italian male

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OP I suggest you see somebody before you decide on doing this surgery, and that goes for everyone.

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There is a big difference between someone like the guy who goes to Rozbruch and is happy with his life besides his height and this guy. If you guys can't seen the difference than I can't help you.. It's not a starting height question as much as is what are the reasons..

 This surgery will "help" those who are doing good in other aspects of their life. IamReady, DIFM, Endgame, etc, all had successful life and had atleast one woman who was interested in them... They were also shorter than him before LL (and besides Endgame who I don't know his post op height but I also don't believe he is 5'10 now) and are all shorter than him POST LL of 8-11.5cm!!. This guy is a 5'10 that seeks perfection and talk about sense of superiority over shorter folks... He is not OK and supporting him is not OK.

 Every reason to do this surgery safely is justified. But the reason should be one that can be solved. BDD can't be solved via surgery

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I don't disagree with anything you are saying, in fact, I find myself in agreement to much of it and applaud you for the way you have worded it by explaining your reasons. Please don't confuse my position of advocating respect and civility while addressing other users as complete and utter support or defense for the original posters motivations and intentions when this isn't the case. I am completely for people expressing their opinion even if it's absolute disagreement, but as I said it's possible to do so without resorting to negative comments as you have shown.

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What? I think you may have misunderstood me.

I was commending you on being able to be straightforward without resorting to excessive negativity, not criticizing you for being straightforward nor intimating that you were being offensive, saying the opposite in fact.

On a side note, I think it is time for me to bow out of this thread. I'm not quite sure why, but people seem to be consistently and repeatedly misinterpreting or misrepresenting everything I am saying in my posts therefore I can't see any benefit or constructive discussion in continuing to comment.

I think it's time to crack open a beer and catch up on some television, have a good evening gentleman!

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Quote from: 682 on February 13, 2017, 11:38:28 PMWhat? I think you may have misunderstood me.

I was commending you on being able to be straightforward without resorting to excessive negativity, not criticizing you for being straightforward nor intimating that you were being offensive, saying the opposite in fact.

On a side note, I think it is time for me to bow out of this thread. I'm not quite sure why, but people seem to be consistently and repeatedly misinterpreting or misrepresenting everything I am saying in my posts therefore I can't see any benefit or constructive discussion in continuing to comment.

I think it's time to crack open a beer and catch up on some television, have a good evening gentleman!

oops you are right. i misread what you wrote my bad

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No problem man, it's easy enough to do .

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I'm pretty proud of some of your responses to this. I couldn't have said it any better.

Since my username was mentioned, I want to add that I'm slightly under 175 cm, but today I just made out with the prettiest/hottest girl I've ever met in my bedroom, just a day after meeting her for the first time. She says that it feels like she has known me forever. A day before that I was on a date with a 5'10" model who won one of those international beauty contests. Yes, she was taller than me by at least an inch. And tomorrow I have cancel my second date with a hot 5'9" girl, because I am seeing that prettiest girl tomorrow, and it would be weird to see two girls at the same time on Valentine's Day.

From my experience, tall girls look kind of manly in the face in my opinion. I prefer under 5'7" girls. So if the plan is to get girls who are taller than 177 cm, which is, realistically, the only difficult girls to get because of a 177 cm height, then I'd say it's not worth it. There are plenty of 175 cm and under girls who are absolutely gorgeous and would date even a 175 cm guy (me).

And I'm not even a male model. My face is probably a 7. And my body is like a 5 now, due to the surgery and having lost a lot of my muscles, especially in my butt.

So stop thinking that it's just your looks that matter to a girl. It's more likely that you need to get better at getting girls. I would suggest getting anonymous opinions about your dating profile and seeing what people say about it. Usually they will tell you what areas make your profile look bad to a girl. Make your dating profile better.

My other tip is to lie about your height before you do the surgery. This is because if you add even 8 cm to your dating profile, it will probably make no difference. Then you will realize that this surgery will do nothing for you, before you have the surgery.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on February 14, 2017, 06:37:33 AM
And I'm not even a male model. My face is probably a 7. And my body is like a 5 now, due to the surgery and having lost a lot of my muscles, especially in my butt.

So stop thinking that it's just your looks that matter to a girl. It's more likely that you need to get better at getting girls. I would suggest getting anonymous opinions about your dating profile and seeing what people say about it. Usually they will tell you what areas make your profile look bad to a girl. Make your dating profile better.

Without a doubt personality matters a lot. A 5'9 guy who has great sense of humor and confidence will be miles ahead than a boring, lethargic 6'3 dude who has personality issues. You explained it very well in your post. But do you think your money has attracted women's attention for you? Lastly, do you think the 3 inches has made women more attracted to you keeping everything else constant?

I'm sure there are people here who would say their personality is co-dependent on their height i.e., being taller would cure their depression and they would no longer be dead from the inside -> become charismatic, confident and more outgoing = a new person (Basically they would be who they really want to be without having to face the barrier of being short and its psychological effects on them). Can this simply be their false perception and delusion or can it genuinely be the case? After all, everyone is different and this issue is very, very perspective. It may be true that after the surgery they do become their true self and that the truth could be simply that height really did affect their personality and didn't allow them to be who they really wanted to be because of the psychological effects.

On the other hand, there are people here who are artificially blaming their height as a mere excuse for their inability. I think those are the kind of people for whom this surgery would be almost, if not completely, useless.

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Quote from: TheLichKing on February 14, 2017, 07:48:17 AMWithout a doubt personality matters a lot. A 5'9 guy who has great sense of humor and confidence will be miles ahead than a boring, lethargic 6'3 dude who has personality issues. You explained it very well in your post. But do you think your money has attracted women's attention for you? Lastly, do you think the 3 inches has made women more attracted to you keeping everything else constant?

I'm sure there are people here who would say their personality is co-dependent on their height i.e., being taller would cure their depression and they would no longer be dead from the inside -> become charismatic, confident and more outgoing = a new person (Basically they would be who they really want to be without having to face the barrier of being short and its psychological effects on them). Can this simply be their false perception and delusion or can it genuinely be the case? After all, everyone is different and this issue is very, very perspective. It may be true that after the surgery they do become their true self and that the truth could be simply that height really did affect their personality and didn't allow them to be who they really wanted to be because of the psychological effects.

On the other hand, there are people here who are artificially blaming their height as a mere excuse for their inability. I think those are the kind of people for whom this surgery would be almost, if not completely, useless.

My money attracted women's attention, but it's my personality that made them stay interested. I know a guy who is worth close to a billion dollars, and he's still single to this day because his personality is absolute crap.

Yes, 3 inches helped me get girls within the 5'7"-5'10" height, that I probably couldn't have dated before. It didn't help me get a girl as opposed to not, because I've gotten girls when I was under 5'6". It just made more girls available to date me. Like 50% more. But that's for my height increase. I think for a 5'9" guy to go to 6', it's probably only help less than 10% more. And 10% more of 0 girls is still 0 girls. Sorry, but it's true. Being wealthy helped me get about 1000% more girls. But 1000% more of 0 girls is also still 0 girls.

Confidence definitely helps because no girls like insecure guys. And I can believe that getting the surgery will make short guys more confident. But truthfully speaking, you could be great and all to a girl who's taller than you, but she still won't date you because of your height. That kind of rejection can be devastating to a short guy's confidence, and so by removing that chance of rejection, then they'll be more confident in themselves. Having said that, I was very confident in myself prior to the surgery, and helped me get girls. I just had to avoid the girls who were taller than me, and then the chance of rejection for my height dropped. Thus, I never really took many hits to my self-esteem, because if a shorter girl rejected me for my height, I probably wouldn't want to date them anyway. They're too superficial. It's like if you're a girl and a guy won't date you because you are a B cup and not a C cup. Would you date that guy even if you were a C cup? No.

If you want to know more about my take on getting girls, I wrote a lengthy entry into my diary just now that explains exactly what I'm doing right and what other guys are doing wrong.