177 cm italian male

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Quote from: google42 on March 13, 2017, 07:43:57 PMI was talking to the Italian guy, but thanks for your input. Plus I don't go to clubs so I wouldn't know. I do agree that height is very important for a male but you don't have to be tall in order to attract women. If you are 100 % sure you want to go through the surgery again and you are fully prepared then I say go for it. No need to justify to us why you wanna do the surgery, it's pointless.

I wrote generally (WE are considering), not only for me.
After all, almost all in this forum are interested in LL.
And yes, if you want to be acceptable from the majority of women you have to be above average height, as a woman should have at least a thin body to be likable from the majority of men.
Of course an obese woman could find someone but she is not generally attractive. That is unfortunately about the same with men and height. Short men could find women but is is much harder and generally speaking, to be acceptable from the most women you have to be at least average and a little more.

Ozymandias, there are hundreds of researches who say how important is height for men in dating, working and generally in life.
This research you posted is first of old 10 years old and furthermore is in not a deep research but talks very gemerally.
If you think that a 5.5 man with a perfect can have more dates than a comoletely average 6ft tall man, then you have no idea what is going on in reality.
Short men (like I used to be) have huge drawback to tall men, even the first are much better in everything else.
With average height men things get more complicated but still being above average is the most significant asset in a man's appearance.
And thats a fact.

If you believe something else then try a cosmetic surgery on your face, not LL.
After all I don't know your height. Maybe you are like some 5.11 people here who want to lengthen 2-3cm so you cant understand how important is height for a short to just less than average height man.

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Quote from: Body Builder on March 13, 2017, 11:14:28 PMI wrote generally (WE are considering), not only for me.
After all, almost all in this forum are interested in LL.
And yes, if you want to be acceptable from the majority of women you have to be above average height, as a woman should have at least a thin body to be likable from the majority of men.
Of course an obese woman could find someone but she is not generally attractive. That is unfortunately about the same with men and height. Short men could find women but is is much harder and generally speaking, to be acceptable from the most women you have to be at least average and a little more.

Ozymandias, there are hundreds of researches who say how important is height for men in dating, working and generally in life.
This research you posted is first of old 10 years old and furthermore is in not a deep research but talks very gemerally.
If you think that a 5.5 man with a perfect can have more dates than a comoletely average 6ft tall man, then you have no idea what is going on in reality.
Short men (like I used to be) have huge drawback to tall men, even the first are much better in everything else.
With average height men things get more complicated but still being above average is the most significant asset in a man's appearance.
And thats a fact.

If you believe something else then try a cosmetic surgery on your face, not LL.
After all I don't know your height. Maybe you are like some 5.11 people here who want to lengthen 2-3cm so you cant understand how important is height for a short to just less than average height man.

But you are not 5'5! You are 5'8-5'9 and in no place can compare your height to your old height

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Tibike I wrote that I was short because I write some hard things about short men and their chances with women but I really don't want to insult any of our short mates here.
Thats why I mentioned that I was short too before LL.
Of course my new height makes a good difference but still I'm considered below average, even a little. The real deal imo is to be higher than average.

And of course I'm not saying that I agree with the so superficial and strict height requirements (not even preferences) that the majority of women have.
They are completely nonsense imo because in reality being taller doesn't give you any real benefit in anything like let's say being stronger etc.
But unfortunately it is the reality so the choice for any less than average or short man is to accept his body and live with some drawbacks in his life or change his body via LL.
I think that almost all people here tend to believe that the best choice for themselves is the second and I am one of them as I did LL and plan for another one.

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Still, at your height or my height the situation is not tragic. I mean let's be real. Our height might not be "omg you are so tall" but it is nowhere near "sorry too short".

I highly doubt that the majority of women reject you on your height. They might prefer you to be taller but they don't reject you for being 5'8-5'9

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 14, 2017, 01:29:04 AMStill, at your height or my height the situation is not tragic. I mean let's be real. Our height might not be "omg you are so tall" but it is nowhere near "sorry too short".

I highly doubt that the majority of women reject you on your height. They might prefer you to be taller but they don't reject you for being 5'8-5'9

Tibike you live in denial about how important is for the majority of good looking women, who can have almost any man they want, to be with someone who is tall or at least completely average (which in my country is 1.78cm for a man).
And yes, I have been rejected for my (current) height and I've heard many times some from bad (not insulting however) to just funny comments about my height.
And only from women. Men respect me a lot due to my built body and my character and noone ever told that I'm short after LL.
But for women not being tall is something that you can't get easily away with, especially if you have the alpha male attitude I have due to my relatively big muscles and the big experience I have with the opposite gender.
Maybe they bash me because I seem like I feel very confident with my self and I'm sure that no one ever could understand that I have a height insecurity because my behaviour shows that I am completely ok with myself. And generally I am but my height that is less than average still bothers me, not because I don't like my body but because it doesn't give me the social benefits with women that a tall man has. And I don't like that at all because men keep praising me about my body but women seem to care about my height much more than they should, taken in mind that I have a good face, a muscular body and a good style generally.

Maybe if my attitude was more, lets say, low key, I could attract more women, not the hottest ones though.
But I can't be something that I am not only because my height doesn't correspond to my attitude for many women's logic.

At your age I had a lot of success with some very good looking and with a good character girls although I was 5.65 but I was just very lucky and I can see it now when my experience with women is much much more.
So when you reach almost 30 and all this time you keep having many successes with women despite your 5.7 height, then I would take your opinion much more serious in this subject.
But now you are just too young to have complete knowledge of the importance of height for a man in dating.

ps I am writing all these to you in a very friendly way. You are a respectable discussant and I don't have any intention to insult you.

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I am 26 years old so not so young.
  I am not into the clubbing scene (I go to raves a lot though) although it did happen that women have hit on me in clubs a few times. At bars same story as well. Actually I know no one that has ever gotten anything from a bar or a club (tall or short).

 I don't say it's not important. My GF who knows about my will to go this surgery told me, after me making her become more honest, that a taller version of me is a hotter version of me. But in the same sentence told me that I have an amazing body (Another example of taste as I am naturally hairless and she likes it a lot like many other women) and eyes that all her friends and even family told her about (I truly am grateful for my eyes as I have recieved too many compliments for them from women).This is to say that even though height is an attractive trait, it's not all. I am also very cky and open about my thoughts (to almost being considered rude) and appear very confident (My GF was shocked when I told her aboutmy insecurity even before I told her that I want to do LL). She also teased my height but that was because I appear very confident and it is just a tease.

 I have had tall friends being teased for having small hands orsmall heads... Women will always find something to mock you about

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I thought you are in your early 20's.
Nevermind.

And I don't know what you mean with "Actually I know no one that has ever gotten anything from a bar or a club (tall or short)".
If you mean that you don't know men who got girls in the clubs, I know many of them and I am one of them too.
After all, most women go to clubs for the same reason as men, to flirt and find a date.

Finally, of course height is not everything.
But the lack of height (and I'm talking for short men) makes almost everything else insignificant for a woman.
Being tall and only doesn't make you good at dating but if you have a moderate appearance with a good height gives you about the same advantage as being about average height with very good looks (face and fit body).
So if you have both good looks and a good height then you should consider yourself very lucky in terms of dating.
The bad thing is that looks can improve a lot with hard work but height not.
So if you tried a lot and have very good results in your whole appearance and the only thing that keeps you back and beyond average is height, then you have every reason to consider LL.
If someone has bad style, obese body etc and he is not short enough (lets say less than 5.7) and he believes that LL is the first he should does, he is completely wrong.

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A lot of people go to bars and clubs to enjoy a good drink or dance to good music. As much as a lot go to flirt or get flirted.


 A lot of female friends of mine told me they hate it when men disturb them when they are in a bar (no matter how the guy looks). I have also witnessed it first hand with female friends of mine rejecting guys who look like brad pit just because they werent interested to know someone when they went out.


Edit: But I guess it comes to the country in which you live. As when I went for a month to Toronto my ass became red from all the pinching it got from girls in bars and clubs over there

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There are these kind of women too of course.
But there are also many who look for an interesting man.
And I believe that the vast majority of women, even if they went out only for a drink, wouldn't easily reject a Brad Pitt lookalike man who talks to them.

But I think we got offtopic.

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Let's agree to disagree