177 cm italian male

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look up returnofkings.com, or rooshv.com and try that site his books are pretty good.

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Quote from: TheLichKing on March 13, 2017, 10:51:27 PMThs site gives genuine celebrity height: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Leonardo-DiCaprio-15.html

Zac Efron and Ian Somerhalder are some examples of bit short-average height celebrities who women drool after. Ian has over 10 million followers on instagram, and he ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities. Plus he's the same height as OP. He won many women's hearts from his famous "Vampire Diaries" show but he got some killer looks.

How can you even take into account celebrities who are rich famous and honestly have a killer looks with the average 177 cm guy like me?

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 14, 2017, 03:08:43 AMA lot of people go to bars and clubs to enjoy a good drink or dance to good music. As much as a lot go to flirt or get flirted.


 A lot of female friends of mine told me they hate it when men disturb them when they are in a bar (no matter how the guy looks). I have also witnessed it first hand with female friends of mine rejecting guys who look like brad pit just because they werent interested to know someone when they went out.


Edit: But I guess it comes to the country in which you live. As when I went for a month to Toronto my ass became red from all the pinching it got from girls in bars and clubs over there

For what I know about Average women, if some guy really handsome confident (and tall?) Approaches them, 95% of the times they will be interested.  Exactly as if a very hot woman tries to approach you, would you be interested or not?
I don't know if I said before but I dated some women. Problem was that the only women who were interested in me were -honestly speaking, no offense to them- ugly women. This is what mother nature wpuld bring me naturally and i dont like it. So i am trying to cheat nature and genetics. Now, I am not super attractive but I am honestly not ugly, I am not stupid or have some big genetic fault. Fact is that for my experience if you want to date average/pretty girls you cannot simply be average. You have to stand up among the many, because remember, women have the power to choose and why should they choose an average (in other words, often average means mediocre) guy like many others when they can have the best or at least someone in the upper range?   This applies to everything, height included. Remember that they often talk of men around 6 feet as ideal, which is exactely a height above average. You won't attract many women with a  average face or height, you have to step above average, and then you will have real chances (that you will be able to get or not depending on  your skills and intelligence; if you are stupid or depressed and introvert you still stand no chance). Otherwise, let's be honest, you will have to struggle much to simply hope to find someone who will accept you... and that is not a real choice, this means to be chosen.
I strongly believe that in present world a good look and a height above average opens the doors of heaven in relation shup field. I think that it is useless to do a big effort with gym or seduction skills when your potential of attraction is mainly (let's say 80%) dependant on genetic factors. This is simply the frame of mind of 1950s of "hard work brinGS you everywhere" which, if in some field it could be true, applied extensively is plain stupid. 
With my decent look and average height I have tried to date many average/pretty woman and I could only get the ugly ones. The only not ugly one I came close to have (but still did not in the end) was fat and insecure. And believe me I know my social skills and I am not less than average, I am probably more funny and I look more confident than average here. So it's not a personality issue.
I simply have this life and want the best in every field. I don't harm anyone so I don't see why not.

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When people will finally acknowledge the fact that human attraction is complicated and "hierarchy" of valued traits depend on each individual?

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Quote from: TheLichKing on March 13, 2017, 06:20:54 PMIf you look at my post, I directed the Canada part to another user, google42. Why not try your luck with shorter women? The tall ones would want around a 6'0 guy in most cases, yes. But your desire to increase potential with all women including the ones in the tall side still doesn't explain why you hadn't had atleast one gf yet, with your perfectly average 5'10 height and 28 years of age (I find it amusing you were dating a 38 yr old woman - lot of age difference).

You have explained well why you are seeking limb lengthening, you are seeking perfection or maximizing your potential in every possible way; i.e. increasing your potential with each and every woman. But on the other hand, you can choose not to get the surgery and hit women on the short-bit above average side (170 under). Well it's your personal preference, and I have to admit, I'm a perfectionist too in some way or the other (explains my 5'11 goal instead of 5'9) but I am also willing to maximize my utility from this surgery (the time and money - making it worth it without going too much over the safety margin).

Lastly, you shouldn't have problems getting shorter women with your current height because if 5'7 TIBIKE can do it, so can you.

In case you didn't read this post of mine earlier.

Quote from: drtruman on March 16, 2017, 08:33:33 AMHow can you even take into account celebrities who are rich famous and honestly have a killer looks with the average 177 cm guy like me?

I was comparing him to other celebrities as an analogy, hence I wrote: "ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities and he's 177cm" - nevertheless, still significantly more attractive to women than some taller, richer, more famous celebrities out there. That's the big picture I was trying to portray in that comment. Well, human attraction (especially female) is complicated, it's a blend of personality, looks, and status.

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Not so complicated. Exactly as you said it's simply this ( I would go for this order but it can change according individual): look and status. With some women valuing status more than looks some others the opposite. If you have both look and status let's be honest, you will naturally attract almost any women.
But for our luck, since it is hard to find guys who really have good looks and high social status, they are not enough for every woman, they (I am talking about the average pretty girls who have dozens males on their feet thus power to choose who they want) will accept even a guy with good look and average status or a guy with good status and average look.

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Maybe at the first sight but then they see that you are a douchebag and the whole magic goes away.

Funny thing, guys at my current job that have the hottest girlfriends are mostly in 5'8-5'11 height range.

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Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on March 16, 2017, 09:02:01 AMMaybe at the first sight but then they see that you are a douchebag and the whole magic goes away.

Funny thing, guys at my current job that have the hottest girlfriends are mostly in 5'8-5'11 height range.

True and that's classified as a personality issue. The best of best would be to maintain all 3 (personality, looks, status) at their strongest. But that doesn't mean a 5'11 guy should opt for Limb lengthening to become 6'2 lol.

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Non lo so... La mia ragazza e una romana bionda che ogni volta che usciamo insieme e la lascio due minuti al bar da sola, viene rimorchiata da una marea di uomini.

 Credimi che lo so come e in italia... Ti ho detto gia che anche io ho sentito la frase "altezza mezza belezza"... Ma ancora, se io come un immigrante alto 171 centimetri riesco a frequentare delle ragazze che sono considerate belle, non vedo perche tu non potresti farlo.

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what about fighting after LL ,its stupied but if you have to fight with somebody ,would you ready to be as good as you was before or you will look like defective?